John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart

[Glenn Scheper]

You batted McTaggart around til I took the hook.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._E._McTaggart

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreality_of_Time

Anybody didn't, go look at McTaggart's type A and type B time.
His unreality of time looks like a word game, a Zeno's paradox.
I admire his all-is-soul, and Love; Yet logically an a-theist!

I stroll along, and look ten steps back, and that event is gone!
You cannot reify me both then and now to compare or order them.
What say you to that?

The past is only in my memory, in computer memory, in a narrative;
or only known by side effects: I created, I begat, I communicated:
The uni-verse as a narrative. A fantasy, like the imagined future.
Perhaps there would be no time, had not Hermes invented letters.


Happens I fell into reading the Rosicrucian's Morals and Dogma.
A great dense history of facts, worth a read, if only skeptical.

Type A and type B time look like our old unity-binary-trinity knot.

Compare these quotes from:
  -- http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md29.htm
  Morals and Dogma: Council of Kadosh: XXVIII. Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept


	Man has/IS mind of god:

In the beginning Man had the WORD, and that WORD was from God: and out of the 
living power which, in and by that WORD, was communicated to man, came the LIGHT 
of his existence.

But I am nothing--nothing; and LIGHT is the creature of the unseen GOD that 
taught the true religion to the Ancient Patriarchs: AWFUL, MYSTERIOUS, THE 
ABSOLUTE.

He is silent, and consents with MIND, and is known to Souls through MIND alone.

And yet not MAN! but an animal that breathed, and saw, and thought: until an 
immaterial spark from God's own Infinite Being penetrated the brain, and became 
the Soul: and lo, MAN THE IMMORTAL!


	N.B. Would Einstein concur? No mass, no time?

Limited Time, as contradistinguished from Time without limits, or Eternity, is 
Time created and measured by the celestial revolutions.


	binaries

The Mysteries taught the doctrine of Divine Unity; and that Power Whose Oneness 
is a seeming mystery, but really a truism, was Dionusos, the God of Nature, or 
of that moisture, which is the life of Nature, who prepares in darkness, in 
Hades or Iasion, the return of life and vegetation, or is himself the light and 
change evolving their varieties.

Dionusos, as well as Apollo, was leader of the Muses; the tomb of one 
accompanied the worship of the other; they were the same, yet different, 
contrasted, yet only as filling separate parts in the same drama; and the mystic 
and heroic personifications, the God of Nature and of Art, seem, at some remote 
period, to have proceeded from a common source. Their separation was one of form
rather than of substance: and from the time when Hercules obtained initiation 
from Triptolemus, or Pythagoras received Orphic tenets, the two conceptions were 
tending to re-combine.

He represented in a familiar form the beneficent aspect of all higher emanations 
and in him was developed the conception of a Being purely good, so that it became 
necessary to set up another power as his adversary, called Seth, Babys or 
Typhon, to account for the injurious influences of Nature.

	But why two gods?
	God cursed the ground to bring forth weeds.
	The Jews shouted blessings and curses from two mounts.
	I have set before you life and death. (choose life!)
	Isn't it the perpetual question, to conserve or dissipate?


	Hmmm. God's death :: type A's present?

The unseen Mover of the Universe was rashly identified with its obvious 
fluctuations. (re. god-for-man, god-in-man, wholly: incarnation, death)

But the death of the Deity, as understood by the Orientals, was not inconsistent 
with His immortality. The temporary decline of the Sons of Light is but an 
episode in their endless continuity;


	Cyclic time vs. linear/atemporal

But though the transitory manifestation suffers or dies, the abiding and eternal 
power liberates and saves. It was an essential attribute of a Titan, that he 
should arise again after his fall; for the revival of Nature is as certain as 
its decline, and its alternations are subject to the appointment of a power 
which controls them both.


	time reflexion

and dragged into the light of day the monster Cerberus, justly reputed 
invincible because an emblem of Time itself;

	time

The primitive idea of infinite space existed in the first men, as it exists in 
us. It and the idea of infinite time are the first two innate ideas. Man cannot 
conceive how thing can be added to thing, or event follow event, forever. The 
idea will ever return, that no matter how long bulk is added to bulk, there must 
be, still beyond, an empty void without limit; in which is nothing. In the same 
way the idea of time without beginning or end forces itself on him. Time, 
without events, is also a void, and nothing.

We, to whom the vast Universe has become but a great machine, not instinct with 
a great SOUL, but a clockwork of proportions unimaginable, but still infinitely 
less than infinite;

To them it was no machine, no great system of clockwork; but a great live 
creature, an army of creatures, in sympathy with or inimical to man.

	a-time

Above the Time-God Horus, the Moon-Goddess or Earth-Goddess Isis, and the 
Sun-God Osiris, of the Egyptians, was Amun, the Nature-God; and above him, 
again, the Infinite, Incomprehensible Deity, ATHOM.


	then the lethia, and alethia, and the book goes on and on...


	entangled, like us in our present?

Brahma, the creating agent, sacrificed himself, when, by descending into 
material forms, he became incorporated with his work; and his mythological 
history was interwoven with that of the Universe.

	Type A and Type B

He thus combined two characters, formless form, immortal and mortal, being and 
non-being, motion and rest.


	I think this is where I came in...

But the mind of finite beings is impressed by one uninterrupted series of 
illusions,
  -- http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md29.htm
  Morals and Dogma: Council of Kadosh: XXVIII. Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept


I re-read the McT posts, and realize I miss 99% of posts, and 99.99% of ATD.


Mark took a course on TIME? Please, elaborate!


	B-but on the lighter side, a NWO Tarot?

In nine pertinent playing cards of the "Illuminati New World Order" Game, how 
did the inventor know -- in 1995 -- the three events comprising the 9/11 
attacks?
  -- http://cuttingedge.org/articles/ICG.html
  Illuminati Card Came


Yours truly,
Glenn Scheper
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