[Bekah]

I don't see any of Pynchon's work as being overtly "feminist" fiction  
-   Shoot, I'm not sure how to even define the term in a general  
reading.   (I know how to define it in historical writing  - feminist  
biography or historiography has its own methodology   - or as a  
literary reading in that most any work can have a feminist reading.)

What I said was that I saw a steady progression of feminist influence  
in the works from Slow Learner to AtD.   I'm not going to go anywhere  
near so far as to call the novels feminist fiction.   I suppose how  
much feminist influence is seen in one book over another would depend  
on a lot of things.   I see Oedipa as being the most independent of  
Pynchon's  women,   Lake as the most conflicted,  Katje as being the  
most feminine maybe.   I can't quite see mystical female ninjas as  
being feminist in a non-anime world  - but ...  just me.   Floozies  
with oozies are fine.  (g)

Bekah


On Apr 19, 2009, at 6:53 PM, rich wrote:

> i think that's one thing that AtD is missing--someone as conflicted
> and compromised as Katje or Frenesi--Lake is the closest but falls
> short in comparison
>
> I don't perceive AtD as overtly feminist as Vineland--does a work that
> includes as developed female characters as male ones constitute a
> feminist work? i'm not sure about that
>
> Vineland's stories are mostly driven by women; not in AtD--its the
> chums and the traverse brothers
> rich
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Bekah <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>  
> wrote:
>> I think there's a good steady progression of feminist influence  
>> from the
>> short stories of Slow Learner and V., where it's pretty slim,  to  
>> Against
>> the Day where Lake, Dolly,  Yashmeen and a bunch of other women  
>> have the
>> about same amount of variation and development as the males.     
>> Imo, Oedipa
>> was a bit ahead of her time and  I'm so looking forward to  
>> Inherent Vice.
>>
>> Bekah
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Robin seconds Richard Ryan:
>>> If any of Pynchon's books show Feminist influences, than this is the
>>> one---
>>>
>>> (where it splits wide open and lies all
>>> opened in Against the Day....)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:29:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
>>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Richard Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't remember who on the list suggested that Prairie was the  
>>>> "true"
>>>> protagonist of VL. . .
>>>
>>> Yours truly.
>>>
>>> If any of Pynchon's books show Feminist influences, than this is  
>>> the one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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