[rich]

I would say family, Mark though I don't necessarily disagree with yr statement

the Zombinis, the chums and their mates, cyprian discovery of his,
even the wacked traverses through their travails

Vineland and M&D are as well, but it's really flushed out in AtD

rich

On 4/20/09, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> To: Bekah <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:53:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
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> i think that's one thing that AtD is missing--someone as conflicted
> and compromised as Katje or Frenesi--Lake is the closest but falls
> short in comparison
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> I don't perceive AtD as overtly feminist as Vineland--does a work that
> includes as developed female characters as male ones constitute a
> feminist work? i'm not sure about that
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> Vineland's stories are mostly driven by women; not in AtD--its the
> chums and the traverse brothers
> rich
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> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Bekah <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I think there's a good steady progression of feminist influence from the
>> short stories of Slow Learner and V., where it's pretty slim,  to Against
>> the Day where Lake, Dolly,  Yashmeen and a bunch of other women have the
>> about same amount of variation and development as the males.    Imo,
>> Oedipa
>> was a bit ahead of her time and  I'm so looking forward to Inherent Vice.
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>> Bekah
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>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
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>>> Robin seconds Richard Ryan:
>>> If any of Pynchon's books show Feminist influences, than this is the
>>> one---
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>>> (where it splits wide open and lies all
>>> opened in Against the Day....)
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>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:29:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
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>>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Richard Ryan wrote:
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>>>> Don't remember who on the list suggested that Prairie was the "true"
>>>> protagonist of VL. . .
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>>> Yours truly.
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>>> If any of Pynchon's books show Feminist influences, than this is the one.
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