OFFLIST Re: IVIV "Under the paving stones, the beach", Debord

[Dave Monroe]

Thanks!  Maybe I missed it,m but this dfeinuitely shoukld be posted to
teh zList if it ahdn't.  I amy not agree with ethm, and I'm not saying
you do, eitehr, but Terrance and robert do I think do no small service
by playing devil's advocatem, rasing serious questions about the
recieved reading of a profoundly ambiguous author and his profouindly
ambivalent texts.

Meawhiel, I'm all for as much historicization as possible, which i
why I do teh resaerch taht I can.  I'm inspired as much by Stephen
Greenblatt here as Charles Hollander, and the raeson i;pve been
posting from, say, Schaub and Madesn recently is that they seem
interested to place Pynchon in hios proper
intellectual/cultural/whatveer context, not only the time of
publication, but also that of his education and upbringing. Pynchon's
sixties/sveneties may very well be, and likely are, very differnet
from received wisdom about the era (I've spent a fortune  myself on
records you didn't even hear back in the day, so ...).

Again, pardon my typing, but I  get little time for this, and my hands
are so shot peopel acn't even raed my printinmg anymore, so ...

Plus, i really do have problems seeing these tiny little letters, but
enlarghing tehm ony fiorces off all the stuff I ahve to keep track of,
so ...

Anyway, i hope we're cool, and I hope youll post yr thopught on the
matter to the list ...

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Richard Fiero<rfiero at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Monroe wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Richard Fiero<rfiero at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "The Dada Painters and Poets" Robert Motherwell. 1951, 1981.
>>
>> A helluva resource, but why here in particular?  Let me know ...
>> ...
>
> We will see if the epigraph of IV actually leads to the Situationist
> International.  If it does, it also leads to Dada and counter-cultural
> activity in the arts as basically healing and cleansing.
> Now the list seems to only know of the Sixties in terms of Beatles and
> Stones. Consider the similarities to the dada period -- youth against war
> and energized into new art forms often in a kind of combat against the
> audience. We can expect those of an authoritarian stripe to leave in
> disgust. No loss.
>
> Zurich sometime in 1915 or so.  Lenin to the dadaist Huelsenbeck:
> " . . . I don't know how radical you are or how radical I am. I am certainly
> not radical enough; that is, one must always try to be as radical as reality
> itself . . ."
>
> Breton wrote: "A monstrous aberration makes people believe that language was
> born to facilitate their natural relations."
>
> Another usage:
> UNDER THE PAVING STONES, REDONDO BEACH: Post '68 French Cinema in the 80s
> and 90s
> http://www.experimentalconversations.com/articles/185/under-the-paving-stones-redondo-beach-post-68-fr/
>
>