The sea, the sea

[Mark Kohut]

Do it!, he says pleadingly. From my catch-up reading on (some) Jung, he endures in TRP. He is the Dude, so to speak

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: The sea, the sea
> To: "Page" <page at quesnelbc.com>
> Cc: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>, "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:44 PM
> Yes, Page, I have some work to do to
> get my forge up, but I think
> there is something to the idea of the sea, shadow and
> darkness
> aligning frequently in P's work, and ships seem often to
> carry
> passengers and cargo ready for association with the concept
> of
> "inherent vice", becoming a significant element in M&D,
> then again in
> AtD.  Is it the soul that is so fragile, so
> flawed?  Or, rather, as
> Jung would name it, the psyche?  We're not there yet
> in the group
> read, so I don't know if  should explore the idea in
> detail yet, but I
> will go so far as say it is worth noting the history of the
> Golden
> Fang.
> 
> Oh,and, by the way, I did once do some tree surfing in
> California.
> Long story involving a jeep, a log, a remote dirt road and
> a
> significant array of intoxicants.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Page<page at quesnelbc.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ian, the only way I can see that you are reading too
> much into it is that
> > the sea is absolutely necessary to the story. (To the
> best of my knowledge,
> > it is impossible to surf in a forest.)
> >
> > However, to my mind, that does *not* mean you are
> reading too much into it.
> > It seems to me safe to assume that when he lived in
> the area, Pynchon was
> > formulating, cogitating about ideas, themes, et. al.
> that would show up in
> > his books. It also seems to me likely that he was
> aware of the Jungian view
> > of the sea.
> >
> > Perhaps look for passages specifically said about the
> sea (ocean)? The sea
> > as more than backdrop or more than merely necessary
> for context. I will try
> > to give it a shot.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Livingston"
> > <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > To: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: The sea, the sea
> >
> >
> > Well, yeah.  But, perhaps I'm reading too much into
> it when I view the
> > sea as a metaphor for the unconscious.  That is how
> how Jung speaks of
> > it when he classes it among the deepest and most
> enduring archetypes.
> > We know TRP read Jung thoroughly,yes?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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