Martin Amis - Islamophobic? Moi?

[rich]

Hey, we are adults and we can disagree. that's cool. would be great
one day to talk it over a beer or something. ;)

rich

On 8/31/09, John Carvill <johncarvill at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rich, I don't want to argue, but I really o not think you can separate
> Amis from his views, not in the context of a story about a 9/11
> hijacker. That's just absurd. I think Amis had political motivations
> in writing that story, so to consider it in isolation would be wrong.
> His current hard right politics make me fucking puke.
>
> 2009/8/31 rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>:
>> John--
>>
>> forget about what Amis said for a minute--we can bat that one back and
>> forth and I'm not gonna speak for him or his beliefs
>>
>> I'm talking about the fiction
>> The Last Days story was interesting for me as it showed Atta as even
>> disconnected from his fellow hijackers.
>> I did not find anything in it that was disparaging of islam.
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>> On 8/31/09, John Carvill <johncarvill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, Rich, the story was not exactly unconnected to Amis's politica
>>> vies, was it?
>>>
>>> I don't think his comments were ill-considered at all, since he
>>> continues to make them.
>>>
>>> Muslims today are becoming like Jews in the 1930s. Despicible of Amis
>>> to be fuelling that.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/8/30 rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>:
>>>> Amis has said some of his words were ill-considered but the general
>>>> sense I get from all his statements re: islam is his focus on radical
>>>> islam which I don't see how anyone can really defend for a variety of
>>>> reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what Amis believes I was directing folks to the story
>>>> and see what they think.
>>>>
>>>> rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:44 AM, John Carvill<johncarvill at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> the other the last day of mohammed atta-
>>>>>
>>>>> I would advise against reading that one. Made me really angry. Amis
>>>>> has gone stark raving mad since September 11th. To be fair, he's not
>>>>> the only one. But he is one of the leading edges of the sort of
>>>>> relentlessly ignorant, hyper-hawkish Islamophobia that's taking us
>>>>> further and further into a more unstable world.
>>>>>
>>>>> His comments on Muslims - to whom Amis feels 'morally superior' - are
>>>>> as sickening as it gets. Here's a sample:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in
>>>>> order.’ What sort of suffering? Not letting them travel. Deportation –
>>>>> further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people
>>>>> who look like they’re from the Middle East or from Pakistan…
>>>>> Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they
>>>>> start getting tough with their children...It’s a huge dereliction on
>>>>> their part"
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a look at this, if you want to see the funny side, which I damit
>>>>> does exist, but the serious side is pretty frightening:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/nov/25/bookscomment.religion
>>>>>
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