aw. RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: Why did Elser plant the bomb?

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

Gill,

you do me wrong. I might be a loser (a beautiful one, that is), but I tried
honestly to answer your issues. Actually (see my points 9 and 10) I even
did this partly in an affirmative way. I did not call you a fascist or a
Holocaust supporter; and in case Mr. Obama is sponsoring the US-population
with free bicycles for everyone, I won't have anything against that. I would
be really interested in a differenciated debate. So please don't "rest your
case"! Btw, "art criticism" cannot be rationalized by organizations (which
is not saying that an art critic on his/her own cannot update her or his
categories); if the state trys to do that you indeed end up with something
like the Nazis' "Entartete Kunst" [Degenerated Art] exhibition. But always 
remember what Horkheimer and Adorno said: "Not only the fascist ticket is
fascist, ticket-mentality in itself is." Why can't we try to find something
like a coordinated dissension? Let's get it on! 
 
Kai 

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>
> I rest my case. Once again, a debate stops cold when one says something as
> simple as that the state should sponsor fitness or something else on my
> list, they will be promptly accused of supporting the Holocaust or being a
> fascist. Our bad karma is the complete halting of fair debate on numerous
> topix because you'll be x'ed out with a big fat Hitler label. loser can't
> debate.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen lorentzen at hotmail.de
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:15:42 +0100
> To: grladams at teleport.com, robinlandseadel at comcast.net, pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: aw. RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: Why did Elser plant the bomb?
>
> 3) To consider "pysical fittness a mission of the state" is indeed fascist.
>
> 4) The 14-baby-lady got them from irresponsible bio-technologists.
>
> 5) You're allowed to enjoy any art you prefer, but please don't tell me what
> my preferences should look like. You know, many people think GR to be crap.
>
> 6) I would like to know more about Cryptoville and also where the thousands
> of EU-citizens the CIA did abduct after 9/11 are now, if still alive.
>
> 7) I've never heard a word here on Guantanamo or Abu Ghuraib.
>
> 8) In this country's history we had enough people "pumping their fists in
> the
> air with joy" in political contexts. But if you feel that need, just go
> ahead
> and visit a concert or a soccer game.
>
> 9) I have a thing for whips.
>
> 10) I believe there is a canon.
>
>
> Yours in discourse,
> Kai
>
>
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>> From: grladams at teleport.com
>> To: lorentzen at hotmail.de; robinlandseadel at comcast.net; pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:25:50 -0500
>> Subject: RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: aw. RE: Why did Elser plant the bomb?
>>
>> Maybe it is karma that we are saddled with now in the sense that now
>> Hitler/Holocaust is invoked against most attempts to rationalize or
> support
>> human behavior in
>> a)sociology
>> b)reproductive rights
>> c)social services
>> d)nationalism
>> e)socialism
>> f)art criticism
>>
>> You will be compared to Hitler and those who debate you will have your
>> beliefs twisted, streched and equated with support of a Holocaust
>> eg: if you think for example that physical fitness should be a mission of
>> the state
>> if you actually like large social pageantry
>> if you believe that not every single foetus is automatically a rights
>> bearing human (think the lady with 14 implanted foeti)
>> if you don't like modern art that looks like crap
>> if you're for a politician who gets people to their feet pumping their
>> fists in the air with joy
>> if you have a thing for uniforms or whips n stuff
>> if you think radical islamist jihadists probably ought to have their
> phones
>> tapped
>> if you believe there is a canon
>> etc
>>
>
>
>>>
>>>>>> B-but I forgot:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jesse brought home as an assignment from school 'write an essay on
>>>>>> What It Means To Be An American.'
>>>>>> 'Oboy, oboy,' Reef had this look on his face, the same look his
>>>>>> own father
>>>>>> used to get before heading off for some dynamite-related activities.
>>>>>> 'Let's see that pencil a minute.'
>>>>>> 'Already done.' What Jesse had ended up writing was,
>>>>>> IT MEANS TO DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU AND TAKE WHAT THEY GIVE YOU AND
>>>>>> DON'T GO
>>>>>> ON STRIKE OR THEIR SOLDIERS WILL SHOOT YOU DOWN.
>>>>>> 'That's what they call the 'topic sentence'?'
>>>>>> 'That's the whole thing.'
>>>>>> 'oh.'
>>>>>> It came back with a big A+ on it." (Against the Day, p. 1076)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kfl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Each bird has his branch now, and each one is the Zone." (GR, p.
>>>>>> 519)
>>>
>>
>
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