Yes, Yes, YES!

[Mark Kohut]

I want to pick up on Laura's remarks in this way: whereever we stand on these 
"progressive' issues, I think Vineland has a deep underlying vision that 60s progressives--
all American progressives---
have to ACT to be the change they believe in, never to rest in nostalgia for when it 
was good, not even, as I have argued, to just "watch'---24fps---...............



----- Original Message ----
From: "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:09:49 AM
Subject: Re: Yes, Yes, YES!

I worry that Obama's presidency is serving to weaken the grass roots movements who feel their role is to support everything he does.  I'm pretty upset with MoveOn.org.  They gave uncritical and complete support for the Stimulus package, as if only Republicans might have objections to it.  On the day Obama announced that he was sending 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan, MoveOn.org sent out e-mails announcing that 96% (not including me) support their decision to shift their focus away from anti-war activities and towards community organizing on green issues.  They've left ANSwER and UFPJ to host competing and fractured anti-war marches.  It's disturbing.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
>From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>

>
>the right had the anger and utilized quite effectively a strong and
>diverse (evangelical christians, libertarians, the strong defense
>neo-con crowd, and more) grass roots movement than the left ever did
>at least for the last 30 odd years
>
>with Obama there is some hope that a new era of progressive grass
>roots movement will be strong enough to weather attacks from an
>increasingly fractured but still existant conservative opposition
>
>I think Vond is only defeated by his own; if once can feel any
>sympathy for the guy (there's not much) its that he is ever an
>outsider looking in, never to join the true power flows that inhabit
>those hallowed halls of Washington. those old cheney-like guys pbly
>can't help thinking how ridiculous he is (though a major menace to
>Zoyd and company)
>
>
>On 2/27/09, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Vineland is partly about the deadliness of nostagia (for the sixties), yes?
>>
>>