Fwd: (np) Croatia today

[Kevin Dunn]

> Actually, I never intended to justify anyone's actions. I was simply  
> pointing out there is more history to the conflict than was being  
> discussed. As far as I understand, the Bosnian Muslims of today are  
> the direct result of Ottoman conquest hundreds of years ago. Local  
> prominent Slavs converted to Islam during occupation and  
> participated in the government (obstensively becoming Ottoman in  
> culture and politics) and their descendants are the Bosniaks of  
> today. There were Ottomans who intermarried and stayed behind after  
> the territory fell under Austro-Hungarian rule, in addition. If this  
> all is untrue (which would mean my class on the history and  
> literature of the area, as well as my Bosnian and Montenegren  
> friends (who are Muslim), were wrong), then where did the Bosnian  
> Muslims come from?
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> My mistake for putting in my two cents. Shoulda left it alone...
>
> Kevin
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Carvill John <johncarvill at hotmail.com>  
> wrote:
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>>> That's your opinion, but I'll cite Ivo Andric's "Bridge on the  
>>> Drina"
>>> as evidence. While it is fiction, it does detail the history of the
>>> region correctly and informs the history of the recent conflict in  
>>> the
>>> Balkans.
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>> It isn't my 'opinion'. Your statement:
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>>>> The Ottomans that stayed after the fall of their empire became
>>>> the Bosnian Muslims of today
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>> ..is not actually true. BUt even if it were, the next bit is far  
>> worse:
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>>>> so it seems no one's ancestry has  clean hands.
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>> If you apply that logic, whose hands are clean? Ottoman empore?  
>> Crusading Christians? Spanish Inquisitionists? WHo?
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>> Does that mean that Sept 11th was ok, since 'Christians' have been  
>> responsible for all manner of ill deeds? Just doesn;t stack up. You  
>> can't use history from hundreds of years ago to justify modern day  
>> atrocities.
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