VLVL(12) pgs 261 -

[Mark Kohut]

"All the women came and went, barefoot servants too".----Dylan



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From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:04:21 PM
Subject: Re: VLVL(12) pgs 261 -

Bekah  wrote:
> "famous lady counterculturalists"
>
> Angela Davis -  Berkeley prof
> Bernadette Dohrn  -  U of Ch. prof
> Cathy Wilkerson    NY high school math teacher
> Kathy Boudin  working in NY?  writing?  (out on parole some time ago)
> Helen Garvy  - made a film about the SDS -
> Sara Jane Soliah Olsen  (in hiding in Minneapolis, then jail,  now out,  I
> think)
> Lynette Fromme  (still in prison for trying to assassinate Ford)
> (there are more I'm sure but they're less and less famous)
>

these were political,  but good ones...Pynchon takes Frenesi "one step
beyond" bomb-throwing, at least that's the nuance I choose from Ditzah
Pisk's statement that she and her sister were radical bomb-throwers
when they met Frenesi (implication that they weren't anymore, that
24fps became their cause, which when over they then went to Oregon to
get back into the bomb biz, isn't specifically stated, so we could
lump 24fps with the Weatherpeople if we wanted to)

so as to objective correlatives in real life for Frenesi's indy
newsreel presence,  like the ballroom in St Patrick's Cathedral, is
there none?

> The women's movement has been perpetually turned aside because other issues
> have intervened.  In 1848 (Seneca Falls) the "more serious issue" was
> slavery and many women felt they had to put that issue first,  so it wasn't
> until 1920 before women got suffrage.  WWII pre-empted the women's movement
> in the 1940s and the general attitude was to get back to the good life (hula
> hoops and television).  The Vietnam war preempted the women's movement in
> the '60s (couldn't get the Equal Rights Amendment passed.)  So the Women's
> Movement has had to make slow and steady progress in spite of all those
> other issues.  I think society is more liberated these days than the law.
>  There still is no ERA,  pay packages still discriminate in the private
> sector and male bosses will always prefer a conference with a nice young
> pair of legs.  (We need more women bosses.)
>

what you said...
I really did start a sentence in my previous post about how I've read
more than one account of women in the movement who found themselves
getting coffee for young hairy Castro wannabees, but then I forgot
what I was saying...
anyway, yes yes yes
and I totally agree about the woman bosses, my best bosses have been women!



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