VLVL (13) - Cesare Lombroso

[Mark Kohut]

yes, yes, and we also have to remember what TRP thinks about charisma ---
that "disease" he calls it in GR?.....

Vond is charming....socially very engaging.....
what is sometimes called "two-faced"...



 


----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Ryan <richardryannyc at yahoo.com>
To: pynchon-l at waste.org; Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:06:17 PM
Subject: Re: VLVL (13) - Cesare Lombroso


Vond is both repugnant and charismatic.  He *has* to be charismatic if we're going to understand Frenesi's love for him (assuming "love" and not mere animal attraction is the right way to describe her feelings....)

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: VLVL (13) - Cesare Lombroso
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 11:24 AM
> Vond as pure evil?  I duuno. I
> sympathsize with Laura's repugnance, but 
> woudn't pure villainy be an unlikely Pynchonian
> construction? Even comic 
> book monsters aren't pure evil anymore (just as action
> heroes are no longer 
> pure good).  Good can result from Brock's presence on
> earth. Don't his 
> insights into the student revolutionary psyche constitute
> important lessors 
> to be learned? Not saying they WERE learned necessarity.
> 
> Pure evil is so George W. Bush.  Obama is more up to
> date, able to envision 
> good resulting from the actions of enemies.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kelber at mindspring.com>
> To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: VLVL (13) - Cesare Lombroso
> 
> 
> > By casting Vond as a latter-day proponent of Lombroso,
> Pynchon's going all
> > out in portraying Vond as across-the-board pure EVIL.
> Lombroso gets
> > mentioned a few times in ATD: (p. 172, 252, 606), but
> the EVIL Vibe isn't
> > tagged as a disciple. Vibe, the robber--baron
> capitalist, isn't
> > necessarily racist:  he's more than happy to
> exploit and kill white
> > people.  Capitalists will exploit anyone and sell
> to anyone - racism isn't
> > crucial to profit margins.  Vond's a
> government-variety fascist.  His
> > interests lie in power and control, and Lombroso's
> theories work well in
> > the fascist police state of his dreams.
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Richard Ryan <richardryannyc at yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: Mar 9, 2009 12:26 AM
> >>To: Pynchon-L <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >>Subject: VLVL (13) - Cesare Lombroso
> >>
> >>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Lombroso
> >>
> >>Cesare Lombroso, born Ezechia Marco Lombroso
> (November 6, 1835 – October
> >>19, 1909) was a Jewish-Italian criminologist and
> founder of the Italian
> >>School of Positivist Criminology. Lombroso rejected
> the established
> >>Classical School, which held that crime was a
> characteristic trait of
> >>human nature. Instead, using concepts drawn from
> physiognomy, early
> >>eugenics, psychiatry and Social Darwinism,
> Lombroso's theory of
> >>anthropological criminology essentially stated that
> criminality was
> >>inherited, and that someone "born criminal"' could
> be identified by
> >>physical defects, which confirmed a criminal as
> savage, or atavistic....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
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