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[Joseph Tracy]

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> On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Richard Ryan wrote:
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>> Ah very interesting indeed:but note that the original Hector was  
>> fighting in the defense of his city and NOT in the service of his  
>> STATE.
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>> IOn Mar 26, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Joseph Tracy wrote:
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> I considered that Hector was defending Troy But it is also true  
> that conservatives, and authoritarian types often couch their wars  
> as defenses of the homeland, certainly Reagan did. Beside the  
> Cities were the states at this time. If VL is about  a war between  
> democratic self determination and repression/ empire, between Big  
> Brother and individual freedom of thought and action,  then the pre- 
> Alexandrian Greeks  of the city-states is as good as any reference  
> to that ideal of freedom.. I think OBA uses these references to  
> emphasize the recurrence of patterns through history.  These are  
> not exact parallels. But I see correspondence and intentionality.
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> I think Hector is both a true believer and someone who knows  
> intimately that the cops and govt are a phony corrupt setup. He is  
> shifting his belief more and more to the propaganda , to cop show  
> TV land as you point out . By the end this leaves him completely  
> nuts, but he now represents something just as powerful as the cop  
> actions which often tend to backfire. In the end he represents mass  
> hypnotism, the ability to control the actions of a nation with TV  
> bullshit. He imagines himself a producer and may just as well be a  
> producer because he imagines the kind of TV that really is in 1984  
> America.
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> oops , sent to Richard instead of list
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