the modern state as a suburban house lot

[Mark Kohut]

Belated comment on earlier post in this thread by Alice....
One where Hobbes is quoted by some scholar.

We KNOW Pynchon has alluded to Hobbes. 1) law firm name  2) maybe concept of inconvenience  3) 

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: the modern state as a suburban house lot
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:27 PM
> Convenient? How is this a
> convenience? For whom? Jews? For Nazis? For
> anti-Semites? For WASPS? In America? In Israel? Wha? This
> reads like
> Melville's very famous Fast Fish. Only P's argument seems
> to suck its
> own tail.
> 
> What was America in 1492 but a Loose-Fish, in which
> Columbus struck
> the Spanish standard by way of wailing it for his royal
> master and
> mistress? What was Poland to the Czar? What Greece to the
> Turk? What
> India to England? What at last will Mexico be to the United
> States?
> All Loose-Fish.
> 
> What are the Rights of Man and the Liberties of the World
> but
> Loose-Fish? What all men's minds and opinions but
> Loose-Fish? What is
> the principle of religious belief in them but a Loose-Fish?
> What to
> the ostentatious smuggling verbalists are the thoughts of
> thinkers but
> Loose-Fish? What is the great globe itself but a
> Loose-Fish? And what
> are you, reader, but a Loose-Fish and a Fast-Fish, too?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/30/09, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > John Bailey wrote:
> > "What is the modern state," Yitzhak declared, "but a
> suburban
> > > house-lot taken up to a larger scale?
> Anti-Semitism flows directly
> > > from the suburban fear of those always on the
> move, who set up camp
> > > for a night, or pay rent, unlike the Good Citizen
> who believes he
> > > 'owns' his home, although it is more likely to be
> owned by a bank,
> > > perhaps even a Jewish bank. Everyone must live in
> a simply connected
> > > space with an unbroken line around it. Some put
> hair ropes, to keep
> > > snakes out. Any who live outside property-lines
> of any scale are
> > > automatically a threat to the suburban order and
> by extension the
> > > State. Conveniently, Jews have this history of
> statelessness." AtD 185
> >
> > More anti-Stateness from TRP....I think in AtD one of
> the themes is
> > where in the past were the natural lands of people
> before Nation-states
> > started wars over boundaries......
> >
> > and I somehow think those ancient lands are akin to
> the ancient seas under maritime law...............
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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