Ig Nobels

[Joseph Tracy]

On Oct 11, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Otto wrote:

> Le Duc Thọ and Kissinger (who indeed might be considered as a
> criminal) got the nobel for the Vietnam-agreement in 1973.
>
> I agree to "Alice". Obama has already stopped the new rocket system
> Bush had planned for Europe, a decision that immediately lead to a
> better atmosphere between Russia and the US.
The military under Obama is building bunker busters to bomb Iran and  
start a 3rd war,  there is no reason to have this, as they say, on  
the table. Nuclear arms control? When do we demand the reduction or  
elimination of   Israel's nuclear arsenal? When do we admit that they  
have a nuclear arsenal? When do we actually begin disarmament. There  
is not one concrete mandate proposed so far ? Should Reagan get a  
Nobel ?
>
> He's open for the climate problem, big change compared to Bush.
he has made no proposal for serious change and refuses kyoto protocols
>
> He is willing to talk to the Muslim world. Give him eight years and
> things in the Middle East will get better. Threre will be other
> Israeli governments who want peace and not only the status quo.
After 8 years of US action on behalf of the "free" world in Vietnam  
and Cambodia, things had not gotten better except that it was obvious  
we were going to" lose". We have been in Afghanistan for 8 years and  
things are not improving.
>
> It is absolutely un-patriotic of those evangelical Republicans to make
> such a fuss about Obama's health care plans. Having just burned
> Billions for the neocolonial Iraq-war (based upon a bunch of outright
> lies) they really should be silent.
The proposed plan sucks. It keeps health insurance in the hands of  
profit driven corporations.  The opposition of these people is more a  
measure of media coverage than a genuine popular persuasion. The  
majority sill want universal government insurance. Obama refuses to  
include the majority position in the debate.
>
> It is still "a time of unrestrained corporate greed, false
> religiosity, moronic fecklessness, and evil intent in high places."
The democrats are as hip deep in all this shit as the Republicans.   
Ok, probly the Republicans are chest deep.
Also I have apparently said more than enough on the topic. I really  
want the guy to prove me wrong, really do.

>
> Otto
>
> "What I lack in al-titude (...) I make up for in at-titude."
>
> 2009/10/11 Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>:
>>  A reality check up? What university do you teach at? What is your  
>> real
>> name? Perhaps you had not noticed that the  USA is utterly  
>> bankrupt and that
>> the planet is in serious trouble  calling for something perhaps  
>> just a bit
>> more more real than telling kids to work hard and go to college.  
>> Perhaps you
>> would like to share about the wonderful results  the Nobel committee
>> achieved from rewarding Henry Kissinger's stirring efforts for peace.
>> The problem is not that O. is trying and failing. The problem  is  
>> he is
>> preemptively failing so he won't have to stand up to those who are
>> strangling democracy, he is backing down without a fight. The  
>> political
>> realism you seem to extol is really just a lack of courage.  All  
>> those noble
>> looks and  the  King like rhetoric have, when the rubber met the  
>> road,
>> revealed in stunning and elaborate detail a man without the  
>> courage even  to
>> stand up to a fascist boor like Glenn Beck. This is a  person who  
>> cannot
>> consistently show courage in a single area.
>>
>> The only thing  I can sincerely credit Obama with is  a commanding  
>> speaking
>> style.  As a political leader who could make a difference in a  
>> critical time
>> he is failing on all fronts.
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:55 PM, alice wellintown wrote:
>>
>>> The Nobel
>>> folks are lot smarter than the P-List gives them credit for. They've
>>> done something clever here.
>>
>>