IVIV (11) p. 163-164

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

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> Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 17:21:31 +1100
> Subject: Re: IVIV (11) p. 163-164
> From: sundayjb at gmail.com
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>
> Shasta really is hinting that Doc should go check the location where
> the Golden Fang HQ has been built=2C isn't she? I think the apparent
> melancholy edge to her note made me miss that.
>
> The picture on the postcard is pretty obviously meant to suggest
> Lemuria by this point=2C too. So she's writing from Lemuria or whatever
> that represents in the novel.
>
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Pynchon could be influenced by Lovecraft here. In "The Call of Cthulhu" it
says: " ... queer dreams of differrent persons=2C some of them citations fr=
om
theosophical books and magazines (notably W. Scott-Elliot's ATLANTIS AND TH=
E
LOST LEMURIA)=2C and the rest comments on long surviving secret societies a=
nd
hidden cults ...". A footnote in this Penguin Book story-collection of mine
informs us that the Atlantis/Lemuria text was published in 1925 as a reprin=
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of two seperate books written for the Theosophical Publishing Company. Thos=
e
were THE STORY OF ATLANTIS (1896) and "The Lost Lemuria" (1904[!]).
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> I also think her opener=2C "I wish you could see these waves"=2C is
> enormously suggestive. Waves have a kind of mythical power in IV (and
> are important in AtD too). I don't know much 'bout science but I think
> waves are pretty right-now=2C yeah? Anyone want to help out there? Waves
> as opposed to discrete particles=2C planes=2C euclidean geometry or
> something?
>
> Shasta's in a (fantasy) place where the waves are crazy. Maybe she's
> just onto that new Google Wave thing.
>
> On Thu=2C Oct 22=2C 2009 at 4:46 PM=2C Joseph Tracy wrote:
>> Great Research Clement=2C Ya gotta love the sounds of polynesian languag=
es=2C
>> pronounceable or not.
>>
>> On Oct 21=2C 2009=2C at 8:55 PM=2C Cl=E9ment L=E9vy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> - Shasta's message sounds very melancholy but she gives Doc a clue=2C
>>> seemingly unintentionally.
>>
>> My sense is that it was deliberate=2C If she is in captivity and being w=
atched
>> the message would have to seem innocuous. The trip to the Hole in the bl=
ack
>> clouded rainstorm doesn't seem very romantic=2C not really a tender memo=
ry.
>> Had she been to the new Fang building while in captivity and recognized =
the
>> location? I kinda feel like Pynchon is using the Ouija board as an openi=
ng
>> to the duality of a certain kind of a greedy use of the spirit world. It=
 is
>> preceded by some nasty desperate-stoner imagery( anybody ready for visin=
e
>> as a way to cleanse the doors of perception?) and seems to open the door=
 to=2C
>> well=2C hell=2C or at least a local franchise. Some of Doc's bad karma s=
eems
>> to converge here=2C Japonica=2C the dart=2C cocaine(a drug Pynchon conne=
cts to
>> self destruction) the paranoid Blatnoyd.
>>>
>>> - Ouija board. We've seen one already in Gravity's Rainbow=2C at Snoxal=
l's
>>> (GR=2C BB20thC p. 32).
>>
>> Can someone translate this to the Penguin page #
>>>
>>> - "his city dump memory": here again=2C the waste motif.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - "the problem about Ouija boards=97" indeed! this one gives an address
>>> valid (in a way that must be discussed) only months later. Months? this=
 the
>>> time-line problem. We talked about this sooner on the list but I cannot=
 find
>>> when it was.
>>
>> NIce alternate take to the one I offered above with the directions from
>> another time zone. Would definitely fit with other Pynchon time distorti=
ons=2C
>> especially ATD.
>>>
>>> - TV cop shows: also a motif in VL=2C p. 83=2C and elsewhere too.
>>>
>>> Today has been a long day! I'll write later tomorrow (thursday)
>>> Cl=E9ment
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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