IVIV (2) Hope

[alice wellintown]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tore Rye Andersen <torerye at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alice:
>
>> Responding to Tore's claim that Larry's promo work for the junkie
>> family is a sentimental moment akin to the sentimental moment at the
>> end of this essay, I expalined that the ending of the essay is no more
>> sentimental than the scene ort plot line in the novel.  So the evidence
>> supports my reading and not Tore's. Like that logic?
>
> What you actually said was:
>
> "The fact that Pynchon says that we are allowed only *a moment* to swear
> that we will not betray our most sacred and human bond, does not support
> the sentimental reading that Tore advanced."

Do I need to include my exact words each time I post a response here?
I know what I "actually
said" because I'm the one who  actually said it or wrote it. I've not
changed what I actually said, buit I'm not a broekn record. I'm open
to improving my reading of the novels and essays. You are open to the
same. Good for us. We are quite a rarity round these parts.
>
> How can you call this unsubstantiated allegation an 'explanation'? How is
> it 'evidence' that supports your reading? How is it even logic? You
> obviously read the ending of the Orwell essay differently than I do,
> and that's cool - I think you made a number of good points. But you
> haven't really delivered any 'evidence' why we shouldn't read the ending
> of the essay sentimentally. As John and I argued, sometimes a moment
> is more than enough. Remember Leni in GR: "There is the moment, and its
> possibilities" (159). Possibilities to do nothing, sure, but also
> possibilities to do some good for a change.

It's not a allegation. It's an assertion with an explaination
supported with evidence. Yes, we have different readings of the text
and we are attempting to, if not convince anyone of anything, at least
communicate our differences and flesh them out with textual evidence.
That's what we're about here. Right? We may never agree. That's not so
bad. You've made excellent points as well, thanks, and arguments, and
connections. Thanks. I learn from you and there is nothing in the
world I enjoy more than learning. Well, there are a couple of things,
like beer and surfing, and playing chess with my husband . . .
.Anyway, I'll take a look at the GR 159 evidence and reply. If there
are moments as you say, I don't agree that the 1984 essay is evidence
of such moments nor do I agree that Larry's work for Hope & Coy is
such a moment.

>
> Calling your subjective take on the Orwell essay 'evidence' doesn't make
> it so.


Of course not. We could argue the syntax and tone, but I beleive we've
beat that horse to death. We can agree to disagree. We can go back to
the text we are most interested in, at the moment, anyway, and perhaps
we will learn even more.

Peace,

ALice