Nazi Jews

[rich]

On 9/17/09, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> SPOILERS
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> I honestly can't understand how a fantasy about some Jews killing Hitler and
> the high command of the Nazi Party and SS makes those Jews no different from
> Nazis
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the problem is this country's enthrallment to fantasy--its an easy
target (everybody hates Hitler and the Nazis--you don't have to think)
but more than that is a duplication of Nazi-like methods. I'm troubled
by the fantasy because it brings one back to the reality of actual
events

.  The character Shoshanna saw her whole family slaughtered by the
> Nazis.  Would there be something wrong or immoral about her killing Hitler
> if she actually got the chance?
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on a personal level absolutely not but we're dealing with a plot on
the level of the Star Trek Nazi episode--again, fantasy

> I'm also not clear if you're offended > because it's Jews doing the killing.  Why do you expect Israel > specifically to condemn the movie?  I'm not being rhetorical here.  I really > don't understand.
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I'm not offended just troubled--the film Munich for example showed the
effects on those Israeli agents tracking down the murderers of the
Jewish athletes at the Olympic games and the nature of revenge, how
one becomes no better than the terrorists when you become like them
(blowing up a building to kill one terrorist knowing there are
families and children living within. e.g.) If anything, Spielberg got
that right.

> The Brad Pitt character who heads the commando unit isn't Jewish.  He's a
> shit-kicking redneck bigot type.  Clearly, when he's talking about Nazis,
> we're meant to plug in a different N word.  The film isn't a Jewish revenge
> fantasy so much as it's a send-up of American racism, IMO.  The
> guessing-game sequence where the Nazi is trying to guess "King Kong," but
> thinks the real answer might be "the history of the American Negro," was a
> brilliant scene.  Scary, witty and full of subtext about the connections
> between Nazism and American racism.  It reminded me of the propaganda film
> sequence in GR.
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I doubt many viewers came away with that notion. I could be wrong but
I don't have much faith in the avg moviegoer to get those subtle
nudges. But I agree that was one of the better scenes in the film
>
> Outside of Pulp Fiction, I've never been interested in any of QT's movies.
> Most of them look pretty crappy.  And by all accounts, he's an arrogant
> fuck.  But unless something really great comes out in the next couple of
> months (The Road?), IB's in position to do well at the Oscars.  I don't have
> a problem with that.
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Looking fwd to seeing the Road; so far In the Loop is the best film
I've seen this yr (I don't think I can name many more sadly)

>
> Laura
>
> PS- Personally, I'm a lot more offended by the thought of Jews like Mickey
> who admire Nazis.
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absolutely. it just struck me that I found another Wolfmann-type
character so soon after reading IV. Of course, there is that fetish
among some readers in Israel for the so-called Stalag SS and S&M
bondage stories (Holocaust & Pornography in Israel--who woulda thought
shit like this would exist)
http://www.stalags.com/
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> -----Original Message-----
>>From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
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>>there is a bit of difference--Mickey and Bernstein are Jews who
>>somehow inexplicably identify with National Socialism (remember those
>>groups of men waiting in camps for the return of
>>Blicero--inexplicable)
>>the IB Jews (Americans) are committing war crimes in the movie--they
>>are behaving like any other individual in history that has committed
>>such crimes.
>>That they replicate in detail some of the same acts of cruelty on
>>German soldiers that the Jews (and others) were subject to during the
>>war doesn't make me feel any less appalled, even if it is only a
>>movie--in that sense they are Nazis. No one seems to have a problem
>>with that--no condemnations from the US Army, in Israel, even in
>>Germany.
>>QT if he had any talent would've put these GIs in Vietnam committing
>>these crimes--change the focus just a tiny bit--i see no
>>difference--mass murder is mass murder tho all these jackoffs in tis
>>country, critics and other blowhards would see the difference, those
>>cheering for their heroes.
>>
>>rich
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>>On 9/17/09, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hard not to bring up Inglourious Basterds, which some (not me) have
>>>> decried as portraying Jews behaving like Nazis.
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to what anyone who's seen it might have to say about it
>>> ...
>>>
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