Fwd: Bono, Steve Jobs, etc.

[malignd at aol.com]

-----Original Message-----
From: malignd at aol.com
To: john.carvill at sap.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: Bono, Steve Jobs, etc.


 Never let anyone accuse you of being thick skinned. 
 
All I meant was that people with an opinion about Mac v. PC generally 
agree on the superior design, the ease of use, etc., of the former. I 
didn't mean to suggest that because you think differently, you aren't a 
thinker, or don't have a credible opinion.  Only that yours is notably 
a minority opinion among people who think about these things.  At least 
that's my opinion (or what I think). 
 
I feel certain you'll somehow take umbrage to (against?  Please correct 
me) this as well.  But that's why you're so much fun. 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Carvill, John <john.carvill at sap.com> 
To: malignd at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>; pynchon-l at waste.org 
<pynchon-l at waste.org> 
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:38 pm 
Subject: RE: Bono, Steve Jobs, etc. 
 
>> your conclusion, that I "really" am part of the thinking world, is 
just what I said:  the thinking world certainly includes me.Could you 
be any more literal-minded?!>> Lot of fuss and fervor over a term that 
means nothing more than "those with an opinion (about this)."No fuss at 
all. But you are attempting to spin the matter a tad. The clear 
intention of what you originally said was to make a distinction between 
(a) a statement that *you* disagreed with me, and (b) a claim that 'the 
thinking world', including you (of course), but not me, disagreed with 
me.You can't throw out gratuitous insults and then act all surprised 
when the target takes umbrage.-----Original Message-----From: 
owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf 
Of malignd at aol.comSent: 07 January 2010 22:22To: 
pynchon-l at waste.orgSubject: Re: Bono, Steve Jobs, etc.Perhaps there's 
some talmudic subtlety I'm missing or, more likely, not, but your 
conclusion, that I "really" am part of the thinking world, is just what 
I said:  the thinking world certainly includes me.Lot of fuss and 
fervor over a term that means nothing more than "those with an opinion 
(about this)."Nevertheless, I am flattered by the effort, however 
tortured, to come up with a mot that is, alas, not so bon.-----Original 
Message-----From: Carvill, John <john.carvill at sap.com>To: 
malignd at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>; pynchon-l at waste.org 
<pynchon-l at waste.org>Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:13 amSubject: RE: Bono, 
Steve Jobs, etc.But this is exquisite self-parody. Wonderful stuff.You 
*think*, you say, that the 'thinking world' agrees with you, and 
disagrees with me? QED: you 'think', therefore you really *are* part of 
the thinking world.-----------------------------The thinking world 
certainly includes me and disagrees, I think I can say, with you. Which 
is not to say that you should change your position.  "To each their 
own." (sic)