Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED

[Mark Kohut]

what I was sayin' was in answer to ian's q about whether the unconscious 
contained the [inherent] vice:

I want(ed) to mostly believe NO...the unconscious is a Good.....so the Evil in hisotry came from elsewhere.......

Then it gets sticky.......



--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Richard Fiero <rfiero at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Fiero <rfiero at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED
> To: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 7:09 PM
> Mark Kohut wrote:
> >  . . .
> >No, to the inherent vice within the unconscious except
> as the 
> >unconscious got perverted sometime in history..
> >
> >Which of course begs the question of how it got
> perverted if the 
> >unconscious is universal....
> 
> Are we talking about the little ship of consciousness on
> the sea of 
> the unconscious?
> Perversion? Well sure, wars, UFO sightings, social
> darwinism.
> 
> alice wellintown wrote:
> >23 January 2010, Boston,  reprinted in NY Times
> Op-Ed 24 January 2010
> >  . . .
> >Between God and a Hard Place
> >
> >
> >Terrible catastrophes inevitably encourage appeals to
> God. We who are,
> >at present, unfairly luckier, whether believers or not,
> might reflect
> >on the almost invariably uncharitable history of
> theodicy, and on the
> >reality that in this context no invocation of God
> beyond a desperate
> >appeal for help makes much theological sense. For
> either God is
> >punitive and interventionist (the Robertson view), or
> as capricious as
> >nature and so absent as to be effectively nonexistent
> (the Obama
> >view). Unfortunately, the Bible, which frequently uses
> God's power
> >over earth and seas as the sign of his majesty and
> intervening power,
> >supports the first view; and the history of humanity's
> lonely
> >suffering decisively suggests the second.
> 
> Gee, whatever.
> Many of us see God as a projection of the unconscious. Not
> by the 
> unconscious, but a conscious projection of the
> un-whatever.
> 
> 
>