Fw: V-2nd. Contraceptives on every door

[Mark Kohut]

I have to listen too, as usual, since I first threw out the word natural, I 
think. 

All you write is too true. I cannot imagine TRP sees it differently either. 
We know he has tried to understand our culture-created humanity..in Western
history, world history, in pre-industrial societies and many other societies.

I did think of natural law--which I think is not natural but that isn't very 
relevant---when I spoke of the 

contraceptives on the door. I wondered if TRP might (almost) have believed that, 
in sex, no condoms should destroy 

the act--the risk--as Mailer is always saying....he, in ways like TRP, thought 
plastic and much technology 

anti-human.....just thinkin'...........
 
So, what does 'natural' mean [when I use it to try to gloss some of TRP]?
I'll riff a little, but, of course the key thing is whether it IS IN his seven 
degrees of ambiguity 

 or serves to illumine him. 
 
from make-up vs lack of it in IV
from a natural beach to man-made cobblestones.
from play in the (natural) tropics to work in colder climes
from face-to-face communication to all mediated forms of communication--starting 
with writing on paper thru whatever. 

from organic communities w courtyards vs. steel and glass structures..
 
And more and more I can't remember right now. .
 
Later,
 
Mark


 


----- Original Message ----
From: Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
To: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>; P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 5:49:03 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: V-2nd. Contraceptives on every door

Michael Bailey sez:

> The parties in Sudwest are the logical conclusion of sex sought for
> sensation and not procreation, urges unseated from their evolutionary
> reason for being...

I think you've got a strawman behind that word "sensation, and/or an
implicit "mere" in front of it. Are you sure you want to go there? Would we
be "more natural" aka better if human females came in heat at intervals, and
the rest of the time neither party were interested? Ah, life without
temptation, wot bliss eh?

Most (maybe all) of our specifically human behaviors are "unseated":  they
take capabilities with functional, pragmatic "evolutionary reasons for
being" and extend them to contexts in which the function is increasingly
communicative, symbolic, ritualized, long-range. There are evolutionary
reasons for being an agile biped. Would you describe as unseated _Giselle_,
or the dirty bop, or a perfect launch into the mosh? There are evolutionary
reasons for being able to convey <feed me> or <ripe fruit over there> to
someone who isn't looking at you. Are Robert Hunter lyrics unseated from
that? Etc...

-Monte