V-2nd, ongoing profanity

[Mark Kohut]

Early TRP might even have a negative view of homosexuality, imho. Later. 

I might actually argue that Cyprian in AtD, yes the deeply soulful embodiment of
a major part of P's moral vision, is the feminine in 'gay' embodiment.....again, imho.



----- Original Message ----
From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
To: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 11:28:22 AM
Subject: Re: V-2nd, ongoing profanity

I once asked the critic Brian McHale in Antwerp (this was in 1998
during 25th anniversary of GR conference) about Pynchon's depiction of
gay characters. He said Pynchon didn't know/get gay people. I asked
him specifically about the somewhat homoerotic charge b/w mason and
dixon which I thought was well done and very mature. guess we
disagreed. I was a bit tipsy that night so I may be misremembering but
I did manage to find Steven Weisenberger's lost spectacles (cue Jethro
Tull)
I would hope he saw an even maturer depiction in the guise of Cyprian
who I think is the most soulful character in AtD. I really wish
Pynchon could do that with a female character. he hasn't yet imho

rich

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robin Landseadel
<robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:
> Take chapter fourteen—Please!—"V. In Love". Short version, a bunch of fags
> cook up Le Sacre du Printemps and finish it off with with a real human
> sacrifice, like an even gay-er version of "Wicker Man."
>
>        . . . An apocryphal story relates that he vowed at that moment
>        never to touch drugs, never to attend another Black Mass . . .
>
> It's a wonder anyone takes the author seriously after all the  adolescent
> sniggering in this chapter. TRP makes a facile equation of the breakdown of
> tonal centers and the breakdown of mores and morals in its wake as La
> Jarretière is impaled during the ballet's musical climax. Meanwile, the boss
> comes up with lines about  "Mongolized fairies."
>
> Cyprian, in many ways, serves as a corrective.
>
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:52 AM, rich wrote:
>
>> or maybe the Pyncho is capt bringdown. V. is a pretty humorless, inert
>> piece of wonder. easy to love when you're young, horny, a few lit clit
>> classes not to mention a bit of newly discovered and welcomed femdom
>> under yr belt
>> i'm so very glad all those cute boys grew up
>> (keep it if not bouncing at least cumming)
>>
>> faery blessings mistress
>
>