V-2nd: 'reality' vs mediation. P.S.

[rich]

like many in the art game (and it is a game) they believe the highest
compliment you can give an artist is for their originality. but as is
a major theme the Recognitions how can you be truly original without
learning one's craft, to know what came before, respecting those who
fought the good fight and did more, to know where u sit on the
continuum. how do you criticize things when you (and everyone else)
are at the end point of learning (making us all tourists?), the whole
cheap nihilism game that Pynchon refers to on occasion, people who
haven't earned the right if you will to have a public forum.  we live
in a broken culture of  well-connected people within a closed
system(s) whining to/about each other.


A Claude Rains is gonna fall
rich

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> And, as I think belatedly, there is all the stuff on
> Recognitions-like authentic vs. second-hand.....the tourist
> chapter(s)...........Stencil's very NAME......and hidden
> 'reality"?..........
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> Even in this chapter Pat Boone, masterful 'cover' singer of
> originals......................
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 11:53:53 AM
> Subject: V-2nd: 'reality' vs mediation
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> Email problems have deleted the new poster's email asking
> about mediation vs. the unmediated in V.....thank you and welcome
> new plist poster.....
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> I cite this, p. 7: "American movies had given them stereotypes
> all, all except Paolo Maijstral"----which last part should
> have been in my Paolo post..........
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> But, P throws out mediation early here.......
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> I want to give my admittedly old school response.....very aware
> now that P challenged all my old school responses [which has
> to be one reason I counldn't finish, much less get, V. on my first reading].
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> V. ,chapter one, is slapstick comedy...What came to be labelled 'black humor' at the time---
> an anthology of which included another section of V. was soon published and all examples are
> like some other books we've mentioned..
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> not even attempting the 'realism"ness of writers like Bellow, early Roth, Updike
> and others of P's time.....
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> Therefore, How mediated or unmediated might P's portrayals of The Beats is, it is not
> realistic fiction nor was meant to be....menippean satire (As Alice would remind us)
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> So, how much a presentation of a mediated reality.....................is an intersting and
> open question for discussion.....esp, as I've just noticed, Paola doesn't see in stereotype.
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