Moral Slow Learners: NP 'a little too much force"--B. Dylan

[Mark Kohut]

Just using the Dylan lines for effect....but it is attempted force n 
TGOV: 

Proteus: And love you 'gainst the nature of love---force ye. 
Sylvia: O heaven!
Proteus (assailing her): I'll force thee yield to my desire.




----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Ryan <himself at richardryan.com>
To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 12:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: Moral Slow Learners: NP 'a little too much force"--B. Dylan

I never thought of the Dylan lines ("....helped her out of a jam I
guess / but I used a little too much force...") to be about attempted
rape; rather the mis-allocated chivalry of an adulterous lover.  Nor
TGOV, where Shakespeare's highly Platonic version of ideal love
receives it's first - immature but still entirely elegant - statement:

VALENTINE
....
To die is to be banish'd from myself;
And Silvia is myself: banish'd from her
Is self from self: a deadly banishment!
What light is light, if Silvia be not seen?
What joy is joy, if Silvia be not by?
Unless it be to think that she is by
And feed upon the shadow of perfection
Except I be by Silvia in the night,
There is no music in the nightingale;
Unless I look on Silvia in the day,
There is no day for me to look upon;
She is my essence, and I leave to be,
If I be not by her fair influence
Foster'd, illumined, cherish'd, kept alive.
I fly not death, to fly his deadly doom:
Tarry I here, I but attend on death:
But, fly I hence, I fly away from life.


On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also, didju know, I din't, that in one of Shakespeare's earliest plays, "Two
> Gentlemen of Verona",
> a romantic comedy--Hollywood sense--in which one of the major male characters,
> who ends up happy at the end, a character to "like" and identify
> with...............attempts a rape in it???
> Like Pig Bodine?
>
> [.."a woman soon to be divorced...I guess I used a little too much
> force"--Bobby D.] she (and he) are saved by
> the woman's friend watching in hiding......
>
>
> And his buddy, the woman's right match, "offers"--it seems controversially, 
>many
> say ironically--her to him at the end?
>
>
>
>
>



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