V2nd - the ecclesiastical history read

[Mark Kohut]

Sometimes the heresy is against "What kind of choice is that? 


----- Original Message ----
From: Albert Rolls <alprolls at earthlink.net>
To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 12:51:42 PM
Subject: Re: V2nd - the ecclesiastical history read

Heresy is more complicated: the Manicheans were heretics. "Everything that you 
appreciate with your senses, all there is in the given world to hold dear," 
including "the touch of a lover" and "desirable strangers," are evil for the 
Manichæan. "'But it's everything that matters,' protested Chick Counterfly." 
Suckling then observes, "That's the choice? Light or pussy? What kind of choice 
is that?" Lindsay, the Chums of Chance member who objects to "informality of 
speech," protests, and Suckling corrects himself: "Sorry Lindsay. I meant 
'vagina,' of course."


----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com>
To: "alice wellintown" <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: V2nd - the ecclesiastical history read


Of course, because all heros are rebels, breakers of ranks.  The
opposite of heresy is obedience/acceptance, and how boring is that?

David Morris

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM, alice wellintown
<alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Romantic Aesthetic always includes, first the heretical impulse,
> and then the act of heresy. The "the human heart", as Hawthorne
> describes it in his famous Preface to _The House of the Seven Gables_
> beats a steady rebellion. The Romantics, be they American Scholars
> following in what Whitman describes as the "parade" led by Emerson, or
> French novelists complicit in the "killing of the cathedrals" with
> books and the Gutenberg Press (Hugo's HND), heresy is heresy is their
> religion.