Re: La Jarretière (this one's for Robin, hope you're well)

[Mark Kohut]

Pynchon was so influenced by T.S. Eliot, we know.
 
And this is in one of the Wasteland links which Monroe cruelly sent around 
today. One might say TRP got his take on Le Sacre du Printemps as source and 
example in V....right from Eliot's words: 

"In adopting fertility symbolism, Eliot was probably influenced by Stravinsky's 
ballet Le Sacre du printemps. The summer before writing The Waste Land he saw 
the London production, and on reviewing it in September he criticized the 
disparity between Massine's choreography and the music. He might almost have 
been sketching his own plans for a work applying a primitive idea to 
contemporary life:
In art there should be interpenetration and metamorphosis. Even the Golden Bough 
can be read in two ways: as a collection of entertaining myths, or as a 
revelation of that vanished mind of which our mind is a continuation. In 
everything in the Sacre du Printemps, except in the music, one missed the sense 
of the present. Whether Stravinsky's music be permanent or ephemeral I do not 
know; but it did seem totransform the rhythm of the steppes into the scream of 
the motor horn, the rattle of machinery, the grind of wheels, the beating of 
iron and steel, the roar of the underground railway, and the other barbaric 
cries of modern life; and to transform these despairing noises into music."
> 
> 
>and reprieved with Marinetti's futurism in Against the Day



----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Ryan <himself at richardryan.com>
To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
Cc: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>; pynchon -l 
<pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:06:53 PM
Subject: Re: La Jarretière

This sounds on target to me Mark. I don't find any textual evidence in
"V." that La Jarretière's (ludicrous) death is staged.  Thus, her
re-appearance in AtD must be Pynchon multiplexing in his usual warped,
giggly way..  History heaps jokes on top of jokes.

RR

2011/3/31 Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>:
> Rereading the AtD appearance after having just reread V.
> the death in V. still seems real and the reappeance is some
> insightful spin on turning horror into a joke.....farce.....in history
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 2:46:36 AM
> Subject: Re: La Jarretière
>
> Matthew wrote:
>> Nice one Tore. Now the question is: What are we to make of that?
>
>
> That he planned it all the time
>
> textual evidence I posted:
>
> a) http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=1102&msg=154562&sort=date
>
> relevant passage:
> page 459
> - nasty business with the sharpened pole
> - however, we now know it "was all theater"
>
> - "Damn the German" oh ok, I guess he is the maker of the automatons...
>
> page 460
> - so like, V. is watching this happen?
> - - that's messed up
> --- (or is she in on it?)(nah)
> --  coroners are presumably not immune to bribery in 1913
> -- raspberry jam
> -- it's probably something V. cooked up with a lover other than V.
> -- she wouldn't have told Porcepic 'cos he was buds with V., right?
> - the sweet cheat gone
>
>
>
> b) http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=1102&msg=154563&sort=date
> I've got a theory:
> remember how old Satin did NOT go to the Black Mass, but sat there at
> the table shuffling glasses with a murderous look on his face?
> so - maybe he's a good guy.
> and plus, he's like the choreographer, who better to work the
> mechanics of it all, to help Melanie stage a fake suicide and get away
> from V.?
> Yup, that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it.
>
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