(np) Dylan's _Chronicles vol 1_ AuH20

Mon Apr 11 13:08:41 CDT 2011

Ah, Planet Waves. It was the Band made that album, to my thinking.
Nice lyrics too, though.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Joe Allonby <joeallonby at gmail.com> wrote:
> Best moments in my opinion? "Simple Twist of Fate", "Visions of
> Johanna", "If You See Her Say Hello", and maybe "Isis".
>
> Once again, they are narratives in which an ordinary man is raised to
> heroic stature simply by the strength of his love.
>
> In "If You See Her.." he implores his friend  to let his ex-lover
> persist in the belief that he has forgotten her.
>
> Whatever makes her happy, I won't get in the way,
> But the bitter taste still lingers on from the night I tried to make her stay,
>
> There is an element of self-sacrifice to this that is admirable. The
> listener believes that the singer is in real agony and is making a
> conscious choice to bear it because it is the right thing to do.
>
> The music to these songs is starkly beautiful. It is mature
> songwriting at its best. Only Townes Van Zandt comes close.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed--Cate rocks. Among the very best ever, in my opinion.
>> Dylan? Well, he had moments in his youth. It was the times that made
>> him bigger than he was (is). And, in kind, I think "The Times They Are
>> A-changing" was his best moment.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm there with taht..........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Joe Allonby <joeallonby at gmail.com>
>>> To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: kelber at mindspring.com; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: (np) Dylan's _Chronicles vol 1_ AuH20
>>>
>>> I thought Cate Blanchett came closest to capturing the Dylan of "No
>>> Direction Home".
>>>
>>> "Gonna find me the NEW Bob Dylan. Then I'm gonna use him."
>>>
>>> At times she was eerie.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> okay, okay...You're right again....just didn't want to go first with such an
>>>> opinion. Smile...
>>>>
>>>> I, too, think it is brilliant.....and I now think I misremembered the
>>> interview
>>>> with Haynes for the usual
>>>> reasons---I WANTED to believe this was created by Haynes without any contact
>>>> with Bobby D. except for
>>>>
>>>> what we the public, and listeners, and readers of the interviews could know.
>>>>
>>>> As Gaddis is soon to say in our read, i am overly fond of the Romantic
>>>> conception of the artist...............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 10:26:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: (np) Dylan's _Chronicles vol 1_ AuH20
>>>>
>>>> Why "more than it deserves"?  I'm an obsessive fan of the movie (I've seen it
>>>> six times, so far).  It was cheated out of a Best Screenplay nomination/win at
>>>> the Oscars probably because they couldn't decide whether it was original or
>>>> adapted.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I like this movie probably more than it deserves and it is good......the way
>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>six avatar-selves open up such a depth of understanding...and emblematic
>>>>>scenes....I've seen it a few times....(Hey, name-dropping coming up...Richie
>>>>>Havens in the lobby of the movie showing. )
>>>>>
>>>>>But, Bobby D. gave an OK?...
>>>>>
>>>>>I read an interview with the Director who said no contact with Bobby before
>>> nor
>>>>
>>>>>during filming AND no response when he sent him the pre-release DVD.
>>>>>Which, I figured was the perfect response from him---and the best for the
>>>>>Director who would have lost something (besides gaining, maybe, more viewers)
>>>>>
>>>>>re integrity had Dylan and he talked, in my estimation....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>>>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 9:43:39 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: (np) Dylan's _Chronicles vol 1_ AuH20
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably one of the better things he's done (non-musically) is to give the OK
>>>>>for the fantastic bio-pic I'm Not There, which certainly brings out his many
>>>>>variations on being an asshole, as well as his genius.  He clearly recognized
>>>>>himself in the many faces that great film portrayed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Laura
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>Sent: Apr 8, 2011 9:08 PM
>>>>>>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (np) Dylan's _Chronicles vol 1_ AuH20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I met Mimi Farina and heard her play in Fresno Ca in the 70s. I liked her
>>> very
>>>>
>>>>>>much as an artist and person . She had a deep sense of compassion and a
>>>>>>dedication to acting in the world.I can understand why she didn't like Dylan
>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>shapeshifter, one second prophet of divine justice and the next jokerman
>>>>>>mysogynist.  He talks about politicos using people but he did some of that
>>>>>>himself. He isn't all that  likable though he is funny,  and  the best
>>>>>>songwriter  I can think of .  Also one of the worst actors ever.
>>>>>>On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Ian Livingston wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Farina's wife, Mimi (Baez), loathed Dylan until the end.
>>>>>>> I like Patti Smith's memoir so much I think I'll hold off reading
>>>>>>> other r&r autobiographies for a while. Maybe if Kieth Moon or Brian
>>>>>>> Jones comes out with one it will catch my attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>  "He's protecting his art FROM politics."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with this. I believe Dylan when he says he's on the planet to
>>>>>>>> write songs and sing, not to be a politician. His behavior matches
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>>>>>>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
>>>>>>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
>>>>>>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
>>>>>>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>>
>

-- 
"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant