I'm gonna ask the question....

[Ian Livingston]

Agreed. It can be shocking to the prejudiced novice on first
encountering the CE's equanimity in presenting the history of the
Church. The new, digital format, while much more portable requires
either great patience before the computer screen, or a hefty budget
for printing, so I remain selective in my use of it, but still
grateful that the Church offers such an excellent resource at no cost
to the user.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/14/2011 12:03 PM, Ian Livingston wrote:
>>
>> The Catholic Encyclopedia is available in much more portable format
>> here: http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/
>> It's a great resource.
>
> Thanks. Glad there's a new version available.  My impression of OLD Catholic
> Encyclopedia was that it was very scholarly and as objective as anything is
> ever likely to be. I was in no position to judge of course.   A callow youth
> if there ever was one.  There never seemed to be any glossing over of
> wickedness in high places.
>
> P
>
>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4/12/2011 4:08 PM, Erik T. Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A very common reaction to religious chatter!
>>>
>>> A touchy subject for sure.  More so in America than Europe, where
>>> religion
>>> is mostly a museum piece (except for new entrants). Correct me if I'm
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Where I live religion isn't a very big factor.  There are a few
>>> Episcopalians but they keep quiet about it.
>>>
>>> I sort of got  interested in early Christian history a long time ago.
>>>  Don't
>>> claim to know that much, but back in the 50s when I was in a TB
>>> sanatorium
>>> run by the Maryknoll  sisters one of the good ladies provided me with
>>> books
>>> from the little library they had there.  The selection was limited but
>>> one
>>> of my favorites was the Catholic Encyclopedia.  She brought it to me
>>> volume
>>> by volume.  The books were heavy but she was a husky girl. What a stormy
>>> past the Church of Rome had had.  Perhaps Gaddis had a similar experience
>>> to
>>> help develop his interest.
>>>
>>> P.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 12, 2011, at 20:44, Charles Frederick Abel<cfabel at sfasu.edu>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hogwash.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/11 12:45 PM, Paul Mackin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/12/2011 1:29 PM, Ian Livingston wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Setting aside personal faith and claims to religious orientation, I
>>>>>>> would say anyone educated anywhere in the West after about 500 CE is
>>>>>>> Christian, at least in their thinking. Watching Western Buddhists
>>>>>>> loudly proclaiming that they are Buddhists and nothing else, while
>>>>>>> they set about reducing everything to binary terms of good and evil
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> downright comical. Even if by some miracle (!) someone made it
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> some occidental education w/o hearing the Jesus myth, their teachers
>>>>>>> (and theirs and so on) were taught by the same system of thought. It
>>>>>>> will take millennia, not just generations, to get past Constantine's
>>>>>>> endowment to Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus, it doesn't really matter, does it? It just is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn't read your post yet when I pressed send for my latest but my
>>>>>> thinking is much along the lines of yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Erik T. Burns<eburns at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I'm going to be difficult and ask those
>>>>>>>>> gaddisites who may know not to answer....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm going to answer because my answer is "I don't know".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And to be honest, I don't care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a man in _T R_ who proclaims his religion. I am bridled
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> revealing it, but it is funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A-and as far as I am concerned, that's Gaddis' religion: comedy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> etb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Mark Kohut<markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I'm going to be difficult and ask those
>>>>>>>>> gaddisites who may know not to answer....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spoiler.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's see what the reading brings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, I'd say he's anti-Christian BUT it has
>>>>>>>>> been said of John Milton, Christian, he was on
>>>>>>>>> Satan's side in his major work.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And then there is Gaddis Eliot love----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: Richard Ryan<himself at richardryan.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: Pynchon-L<pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:10:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: I'm gonna ask the question....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...since we're all begging it: is Gaddis a Christian author?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Richard Ryan
>>>>>>>>> New York and the World
>>>>>>>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone who saw VTM's new production!
>>>>>>>>> www.kingstheplay.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant