"You're gonna want cause & effect"---GR

[Phillip Grayson]

oh, snap!

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Richard Ryan <himself at richardryan.com>wrote:

> It depends on what they ate before you entered.
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Being in a room full of Buddhists is almost as noxious as being in a room
> full of Jungians.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I hear all that steadily from the Buddhists I work with.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> It's about examining the examiner with intense focus and
> >>> concentration. Applying the scientific method to the psyche or ego of
> >>> the scientist so to speak. Western studies in cognitive science are
> >>> now using mindfulness meditation as part of their research. It has
> >>> zilch to do with superstition or metaphor. But putting it in words is
> >>> always problematic and leads to such trivializations of what is
> >>> actually a method of very deep inquiry into the nature of personal
> >>> identity. And it's not 'Buddhism,' although Buddhism is one arena that
> >>> utilizes such investigation. If you add two molecules of hydrogen and
> >>> one molecule of oxygen you get water. If you look deeply into the
> >>> nature of personal identity - you get nothing.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Ian Livingston
> >>> <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Ah, Buddhism. Yeah, it, too, is an interesting metaphor, though more
> >>>> explicitly founded in superstitious projection than some others. Maybe
> >>>> the explicit nature of the superstition makes it more palatable in
> >>>> some ways.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Jed Kelestron <
> jedkelestron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I tend to incline toward a limited determinism: history
> >>>>>> compels us, but possibility opens infinitely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both history and future possibility are fictions created by the
> illusory separate self which likes to believe it isn't determined but is a
> free and autonomous entity. Until that illusion is dispelled the big wheel
> just keeps on spinning.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> >>>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
> >>>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
> >>>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
> >>>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> >> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
> >> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
> >> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
> >> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Richard Ryan
> New York and the World
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround
> him. The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself.
> All progress depends on the unreasonable man." - Shaw
>
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