NP: Alienation and Sedition Act

[Ian Livingston]

> The important word here is "Someday."  The bill would have to be amended to
> do so, and that would require either a Republican POTUS or congressional
> super-majority, 'cause Obama would veto it.

Yes, and the important sub-text is in the possibility that the bill
could be manipulated for use in the arbitrary imprisonment of citizens
not toeing the line. It has been done here before, and there is ample
reason to believe certain factions in government might try it again.
Obama is not our final Pres. We cannot adequately foresee which way
the pendulum will swing next, or when it will swing, so it is best to
keep the language tight enough to hold the military in check.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com> wrote:
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> AsB4,
> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
> Henry Mu
> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Another opinion.
>>
>> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/gitmo-law-could-someday-apply-americans
>>
>> From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: NP: Alienation and Sedition Act
>>
>>
>> Did you make it page 362-363?
>>
>> 15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
>> 16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
>> 17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
>> 18 ment to detain a person in military custody under
>> 19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
>> 20 States.
>> 21 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require
>> 22 ment to detain a person in military custody under
>> 23 this section does not extend to a lawful resident
>> 24 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct
>> 25 taking place within the United States, except to the
>> 1 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United
>> 2 States.
>>
>> AsB4,
>> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> Henry Mu
>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> It's on page 359 and the language about who can be detained starts out
>> sounding like it is about terrorists planning acts of terror, but gets very
>> broad and does not limit jurisdiction. This is so far beyond constitutional
>> rights of due process that it amounts to a statement that we are in a state
>> of war with an enemy called terror and that members of that enemy can be
>> defined, detained and tried by the US military.   Kinda like fascism or the
>> system they have in Egypt, also called a military dictatorship.   This is
>> McCain dogshitting on the constitution in case it wasn't eviscerated enough.
>>   Even Obama finds it offensive and says he will veto.
>> >There's aso a big rape problem in the military, and if I were a woman
>> > soldier i would want those parts of this bill looked at by lawyers watching
>> > out for their interests.
>> >
>> >On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Henry M wrote:
>> >
>> >> S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012,
>> >> is being attacked by people who, for the most part, haven't read it at
>> >> all, and also and by firebaggers who are up to their "Dem's are
>> >> hardly, if at all, better than Repubs so don't vote for them either"
>> >> tricks.
>> >>
>> >> The ACLU, which I practically always agree with, has said “The Senate
>> >> is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and
>> >> every future presiden...t — the power to order the military to pick up
>> >> and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.
>> >> The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the
>> >> military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even
>> >> within the United States itself.” They, and Sen. Mark Udall cite
>> >> sections are 1031 and 1032 of the bill.
>> >>
>> >> Would someone please actually read the sections in question and then
>> >> explain to me how these they represent a new threat to Americans, or
>> >> even to "lawful resident aliens." I'd really appreciate it, 'cause I
>> >> don't see it!  I really would like to understand.  I mean it!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf
>> >>
>> >> AsB4,
>> >> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> >> Henry Mu
>> >> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>> >
>> >
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