V.--2nd, back to 1913/: Vineland, fast forward to 1984

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

Please explain!


On 14.02.2011 12:54, Mark Kohut wrote:

> ....yes, I like it but i do think other books
> are as 'feminist" or even more so...
>
>

>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen<lorentzen at hotmail.de>
> To: Mark Kohut<markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Richard Ryan<himself at richardryan.com>; pynchon -l<pynchon-l at waste.org>;
> braden.andrews at gmail.com
> Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 5:03:30 AM
> Subject: Re: V.--2nd, back to 1913
>
>
> It's striking that you do not mention Vineland, which is --- along with
> the fishing for compliments
> in the SL-intro --- the only text by Pynchon I know that could be called
> 'feminist'.
>
> Don't you like that book?
>
> Kai
>

>
> On 13.02.2011 21:23, Mark Kohut wrote:
>
>> Before second wave feminism, as some historians refer to it, started to happen
>> around this time in the 60s---The Feminine Mystique was 1963 too---
>>
>> Pynchon had come to see women, Woman, in terms of lots of (now
> older-fashioned,
>> admittedly)
>> great qualities....starting with Love, Venus, the opposite of Mars, god of
> War;
>> with compassion, as in Henry Adams'
>> Virgin historically in Christianity; nurturing--see Rachel caring for even
>> Rooney--receptive, never like Pig always
>> like Oedipa (Mafia an exception for anti-Randian reasons). Caring, always
>> caring, in the Keep Cool but Care theme, see Paola and Rachel....some women
>> in AtD, the mom in Inherent Vice and more.....
>>
>> Here in V. I suggest he had decided, from reading as much as anything, that
>> History was a nightmare
>> run by powerful heartless men--see GR everywhere---and women were NOT that....
>>