Zizek/ Wikileaks

[Ian Livingston]

Wait. You think an individual can develop values prior to cultural
awareness of those values? It seems to me that it is always a complex
interaction of cultural conditions and individual curiosity that makes
any development possible. The subjective attribute of shame can only
exist where the individual finds himself in conflict with values he
finds reflected within and in the world. We cannot be ashamed of what
we do not believe others can consider shameful. However, the
individual must become conscious of values culturally held by a group
he admires in order to begin integrating those values into his own
frame of reference. And so on.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM,  <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
> I heartily agree! But when it comes to Mind, methinks,
> normal and abnormal are not mutually exclusive, and
> here, in the land of the excluded middle, that can be a
> hard swallow.
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> So, all privacy being local, in order for Shame to work
> its effect, the society "within" must be addressed,
> before "it" puts on its clothes to face the society
> without, to keep from excluding anyone without a
> thought... is what I think I'm saying.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 13, 2011 11:57 am
> Subject: Re: Zizek/ Wikileaks
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> Yes Doctor, "the privacy is political", as people used to say in the 1960s.
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> But does it have to be an either/or?
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> There are different levels of reality to work on.
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> And Zizek, whom someone once called in a review "Lacan's representative
> on Earth",
> does certainly care about the decor of that office in the frontal lobe.
> Me too.
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> But it's irresponsible to let the poor people die without even giving a
> thought ...
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> On 13.01.2011 14:20, bandwraith at aol.com wrote:
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>> Interesting. Thank you. But I would submit that
>> good manners, and the lies that are required of
>> them, start at home, maybe even in one's own
>> head. The great battle between Eros and Civi-
>> lization could start off with something as simple
>> as an argument over the decor of that office
>> in the frontal lobe.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen<lorentzen at hotmail.de>
>> To: pynchon -l<pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 13, 2011 3:54 am
>> Subject: Zizek/ Wikileaks
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> http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n02/slavoj-zizek/good-manners-in-the-age-of-wikileaks
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