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[Ian Livingston]

> I can't find any examples of this but can easily identify several
> counterexamples: the presidency of George W Bush, Sarah Palin and the
> resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan, the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afghanistan, and
> so on.
>


I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you saying the Ku Klux Klan is an
example of an individual that develops a values system independently
of a group he or she admires? And that George Bush and Sarah Palin are
likewise examples of the same?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Richard Fiero <rfiero at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian Livingston wrote:
>>
>> Wait. You think an individual can develop values prior to cultural
>> awareness of those values? It seems to me that it is always a complex
>> interaction of cultural conditions and individual curiosity that makes
>> any development possible. The subjective attribute of shame can only
>> exist where the individual finds himself in conflict with values he
>> finds reflected within and in the world. We cannot be ashamed of what
>> we do not believe others can consider shameful. However, the
>> individual must become conscious of values culturally held by a group
>> he admires in order to begin integrating those values into his own
>> frame of reference. And so on.
>
> . . .
> I can't find any examples of this but can easily identify several
> counterexamples: the presidency of George W Bush, Sarah Palin and the
> resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan, the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afghanistan, and
> so on.
>



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