TR Gaddis tears into Dale Carnegie Pt 2 ch 1

[Paul Mackin]

On 6/3/2011 10:57 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> C. F. Abel writes:
> Perhaps stopped seeking "Self" alone, as though self were something by
> itself?
>
> yeah, that's what I'm thinking, in a way:
> Self capped (like Doubt), thanks David, and those book titles in that whopper
> of a sentence might mean Gaddis is writing of how we, the modern American
> world, have reified the concept of self which, alone, we simply inhabited, so to
> speak...
> and as if the Self existed outside of the social world which constitutes all our
> selves?
>
>
> Or, to allude and use that famous philosopher Wittgenstein: There is no Private
> Self, only,
> as G. H. Mead and other social psychologists are always saying, a
> socially-created self existing
>
> with others and becasue of others...


Is this anything like their not being anything outside the text  (no 
hors-texte)  ?

When we perceive a Self, it is only reading (writing) text.

P
> C. F. Abel
> Chair
> Department of Government
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> Nacogdoches, Texas 75962
> (936) 468-3903
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Mark Kohut
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: David Payne; Paul Mackin; Michael Bailey; Pynchon-l
> Subject: Re: TR Gaddis tears into Dale Carnegie Pt 2 ch 1
>
> Why does Gaddis cap "Self"?....must play into whatever is/are the
> meaning(s)...???
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Payne<dpayne1912 at hotmail.com>
> To: Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>; Michael Bailey
> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>; Pynchon-l<pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 3:18:47 PM
> Subject: RE: TR Gaddis tears into Dale Carnegie Pt 2 ch 1
>
>
> Maybe I read it wrong or am forgetting the context, but I recall taking this
> as
> a comment on the irony of mass-marketed means toward individualization.
>
> Like reading a best seller for guidance on how to become a rising star at
> work,
> or wearing customized cufflinks, because you know my cufflinks are different
>
> than yours, there're so totally me.
>
> A forged self.
>
> But I think that there's also something going on here about how trying to be
>
> original, to create new things, is a fool's game, so I donno...
>
>> On 6/2/2011 12:39 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
>>>> What I don't quite get is the meaning of the ". . . . the Self which
> had
>>>> ceased to exist the day they stopped seeking it alone."
>
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