The Recognitions is everywhere

[Paul Mackin]

On 6/30/2011 3:32 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> in the overt Clementine original Recognitions, the Sacrifice is presented as
> genuine, real, right?
>
>
> Sort of known without thinking, reflecting, needing 'faith? ???
>
> Akin to the section in the recent chapter where all were said to be seen, known,
> by God?
>
>
> Then Christiniaty since is all.........distancing by words (and acts) from the
> Genuine.
>
>
> Which is, a Big Mystery, and/or like the death of Fisher-Kings all thru The
> Golden Bough?
>
My impression is that the multitudes sensed that something important had 
happened (the promise of salvation).

That amorphous sense was real and powerful and sufficient to hang on to, 
for a time, for a generation maybe.

But as time passed,  as the the event got farther away,  that initial 
sense needed elaboration.

Writers and teachers began developing interpretations, constructing 
details, adding more precision to what had happened and what it meant.

Different schools of thought appeared, sometimes at odds with each 
other, as were Peter and Paul.

These different explanation were not mean to separate the group but to 
preserve the original faith, to pass it on.

There had to be a process of recognition, of what was authentic teaching 
and what was not, in what would preserve the faith in its original 
meaning, in what could last.

This is my impression of what might have happened in those very early days.

How this fits in with Gaddis, I'm still quite foggy on. But it could 
have possibilities.

P




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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>
> To: Mark Kohut<markekohut at yahoo.com>; pynchon-l at waste.org
> Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 11:56:29 AM
> Subject: Re: The Recognitions is everywhere
>
> Been  wondering what WAS the meaning of "recognitions" in the Clementine
> literature.
>
>  From the little I've read, the romance seems mainly concerned with promolgating
> the so called apostolic view (Peter,  Torah observant) of the true meaning of
> the Sacrifice,  as opposed to the faith-not-works view of Paul and of orthodox
> Christianity as it developed. In other words, 'recognition' of the genuine.
>
> Does this mean that Gaddis was somehow portraying the loosing side of a
> contemporary contest over what is authentic or genuine?
>
> I can't really work it out, but it's a thought.
>
> P
>
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> On 6/30/2011 9:58 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>> As sorta happened when we learned a new word when young
>> and suddenly it appeared everywhere.......
>>
>> the concept of 'recognition' shows up just about every day in my
>> cicumscribed life..............
>>
>> heard a woman on TV talking about it as the reason she wrote
>> her book on loss and grief, which seemed to be a literal
>> possibility for Gaddis overarching possibilities...
>>
>> and here is from the beginning of an article on an illegal immigrant
>> who has fought through to a Ph. D at an American Universtiy and
>> cannot get hired because of his status. The article is at The Chronicle
>> of Higher Education if interested...
>>
>> Jorge Arbusto isn't the type of person who seeks the limelight. In fact, for
>> years he has thrived in the shadows. But ask him today what he wants, and his
>> answer is unequivocal: to be recognized.
>>