Bin Laden

[Richard Ryan]

Proposition A:  Violence has never produced Peace.
Proposition B: Non-violence has never produced Peace.

If Props A and B are both true (and I think they clearly are) then the
only logical conclusion is that violence or non-violence has nothing
to do with the establishment of peace. Which explain why the pursuit
of justice (for example) yields better results than either the pursuit
of violence or non-violence.

I don't see why Prop B is a silly sentence.  It seems rather obvious.


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:35 PM, cfabel <cfabel at sfasu.edu> wrote:
> Neither has non-violence.
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> Silly sentence.
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> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf
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> violence has never in history produced peace, only the occasional
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> weary pause in overt hostilities.
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> Neither has non-violence.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> Cc: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>; pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:03 am
> Subject: Re: Bin Laden
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> I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not
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> rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for
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> hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid
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> of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that.
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> Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther
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> I gather the entire MLK quote is being dismissed because the person
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> who cited it in this case included the interjection rejecting the glee
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> over bin Laden's assassination within the quotation marks. I believe
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> the bit about "Returning hate for hate multiplies hate..." etc is
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> actually a quote from one of MLK's sermons. At least, it has been so
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> attributed for many years. It has been one of the central tenets of
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> non-violence in general since the 70s or 80s as I recall. There was a
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> poster, I remember, way back when. And this much is certainly true:
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> violence has never in history produced peace, only the occasional
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> weary pause in overt hostilities. Peace, like democracy, has yet to be
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> given a chance. Call it what you will, Dave, "it is an easy thing to
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> rejoice in the storm that destroys our enemy's house."
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> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:14 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/02/misattributed-quote-of-the-day/
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>> MLK Jr didn't say it.
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> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
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> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
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> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
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> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant



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