frank miller

[Joseph Tracy]

For someone who poses himself  as being philosophically astute, this feels rather half-baked.  What qualifies you to evaluate the motives of thousands of people risking arrest and beating, and willing to leave the comforts of indoor living all in order to address the hypocrisy and failure of a society throwing off its constitutional and historic values for neo-feudalist power arrangements?  Getting attention is a necessary component of civil disobedience and non-violent confrontation, but it would be abysmally shallow to say that Martin Luther King was just looking to get media attention. Could it be Michael F who feels insecure and tries to get attention by attacking Berkeley philosophy professors and a movement that has succeeded in initiating a much needed nationwide conversation about the tension between democracy and Friedman style capitalism? If you have tactical ideas which are better than those you see being used, then maybe you should get involved and offer your ideas. Instead of mocking David, how about Michael F  squaring off against Goliath? By the way, precise argument and overall scholastic credibility might be helped by mastering the difference between the possessive pronoun and the adverb spelling of their/there.
On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Michael F wrote:

> What truly shows how half-baked alot of these Occcupy movements are:
> the money corporations are in Danville and San Ramon and
> Dublin/Pleasanton(20-30 minutes outside of Oakland).  And these guys
> are messing with one Fortune 500 hundred company, which will leave
> sooner than later, and other smaller businesses that are giving tax
> revenues to a broken Oakland?  Rather than using strategy to succeed,
> these Occupy folks are just looking to get media attention, which is
> what there true goal is... attention.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, glenn <glennfuller at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> There is an Occupy San Francisco  movement in the SF financial district
>> which has been going on as long as Occupy Oakland, as well as an Occupy
>> Berkeley, Occupy UC, (which is located on UC Berkeley Campus),  Occupy San
>> Jose, Occupy San Raphael, hell even an Occupy Walnut Creek, (though occupy
>> WC doesn't have any encampments).
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/14/2011 02:27 PM, Humberto Torofuerte wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never met any Oakland cops (sounds like I am better off for it) so
>>> I'll reserve judgement...but why not take the train across the bay and
>>> occupy San Francisco's financial district...where all the banks and
>>> hedge funds are?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Ian Livingston<igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah well somebody has to keep those Raiders fans in line.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, well, it probably won't be the cops who do that. The cops are
>>>> all Raiders fans and would rather be bashing activist heads.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Humberto Torofuerte
>>>> <strongbool at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:19 PM, David Morris<fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And Oakland's cops really are pigs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Morris<fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not everyone can make it to Wall Street.  I see it as a solidarity
>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Humberto Torofuerte
>>>>>>> <strongbool at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  I don't think cities like Portland or Oakland are where the
>>>>>>>> financial engineering of destruction was happening.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>>>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
>>>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
>>>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
>>>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>>>> 
>> 
>>