on money (in the abstract)

[Ian Livingston]

Well said, Joseph.


On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> There can be medical care without money, or through a combination of barter
> and currency.
> Money is convenient but there is a good reason currencies are national and
> that is manifest in the crisis in Europe. Money is a medium of trust and
> trust requires accountability. When trust is broken in a financial system
> both money and the credibility of the state becomes worth less. The question
> is whether the financial sector has created the wealth which its piles of
> money are supposed to represent. For the most part they simply represent the
> power of cash to enhance theft, lying, corruption  and high speed ransacking
> of whatever wealth is open to the taken by the powerful, ruthless  and wily.
> The whole system was and still is operating like Enron, faking the
> production of wealth by moving money around and hiding the bottom line of
> the balance between real assets and real debts.  By bailing out banks with
> taxpayer money Presidents Bush and Obama and the US Congress were presiding
> over the transfer of allegiance(that is what taxes represent ) from elected
> representatives to private, for profit corporations which had clearly
> demonstrated criminal negligence in managing money/trust/peoples accumulated
> savings gathered by actual wealth producing activities. This was a criminal
>  bi partisan transfer and now both parties carried out in open defiance of
> 80% of the citizens. These 2 parties are  now competing to win the affection
> of the bankers to whom they both have pledged their allegiance by
> suppressing and ignoring the resulting citizen dissent, by lying about a a
> recovery that is simply a mask over the continued transfer of wealth and
> political power to the 1%, by endorsing illegal mortgage procedures,
> protecting the banks from criminal liability, and by organizing a Media
> attack on the real tea party revolution supported by a 3rd of the people,
> and by conducting resource wars and wars of geopolitical military strategy
> under the blatant lie that these wars are defending us.
> This is a war. But its not a war on Terror and it's not a war between Islam
> and the West and its not a war between Democrats and Republicans, It is a
> war between those who would rule through lies, violence, prejudice and greed
> and those who believe that humans can move to a new evolutionary stage of
> social development where we seek to live in balance with nature and  each
> other accept and enjoy  the temporary gift our earthly existence.  It is a
> war between a Machiavellian view of human nature and governance and a
> co-evolutionary/ Tolstoyan/ Jeffersonian view.  “If only there were vile
> people ... committing evil deeds, and if it were only necessary to separate
> them from the rest of us and destroy them,” Solzhenitsyn wrote. “But the
> line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And
> who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
>
> Alexander Sozhenitsyn
>
> On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:19 AM, Ian Livingston wrote:
>
> Barter healthcare? You sound like Ms Bachman.
>
> cute.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:27 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't be a terribly sad thing if all the world's moneys just
>
> roached. People might try getting along as a way of getting what they
>
> need. Barter is better by far.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> So who thinks the Euro is toast and who thinks it will stay in place as
>
> the common currency of the Eurozone?
>
> I'm voting toast, extra crispy, no butter, no jam, just toast.  JT
>
>
>
> --
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> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>
> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
>
> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
>
> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
>
> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>
>



-- 
"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant