mic check goes Presidential

[Mark Kohut]

Henry--
 
My pynchon-related critique is that you are using the either-or, excuded middle bad shit---and anti-Pynchonian--- perspective that you accuse most lefties of
using....
 
Not all are.
 
Mark

From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: mic check goes Presidential


My mistake; Obama has spoken well of OWS but not addressed the situation in California, which is of course not a systemic, national problem, but one confined to a city or two and a campus.  Such direct criticism would be inappropriate for the president of the USA to speak about, particularly during ongoing investigations.   The Homeland Security red herring stinks;  I have yet to see any credible reason to believe that Homeland Security coordinated the "crackdowns," and even if they did, where is the harm in that?  Thousands of people camping out in a city is NOT really a good thing, no matter what side they're on or how entertaining those people are.

To hold Obama responsible for everything that happens in the USA is childish, at best.  It also plays into the plans of Republicans who would not only refrain from issuing a statement against police in one city out of the whole country, but who would support using national guard troops against demonstrators if they win more power in 2012.  

The right has done a wonderful job of exacerbating OWS and other impractical lefties impatience with Obama and the Dems, and I find it surprising that some lefties on this list, people who at least in reading ATD and Vineland were exposed to the intricacies and variations of us/them politics, can be so doctrinaire as to give up the USA into the hands of people whose expressed political purposes are so at odds with everything that us leftists want.

AsB4,
٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
Henry Mu
http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20



On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

henry, like joe I have not heard where and when Obama criticized police violence against Occupiers or UC Davis students or .....
>I get lots of focussed news and a google search also reveals no mention.
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>since Homeland Security was involved (somehow) in at least being aware of the coordianted Occupy crackdowns, 
>I am still holding the Obama admin liable for their silence until you prove to me I should apologize.......
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>(I, by the way, am all in accord with your belief in democratic action to make a difference but I see Occupier presence
>as a quiet action statement)
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>From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:37 AM
>Subject: Re: mic check goes Presidential
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>Unless one purposely ignore what Obama does in the pursuit of continuing to believe that he doesn't do any of the things that you want him to do, then you must have heard that Obama has criticized the violence by police against occupiers.  I used to only expect blinders on the right, but the years (and actually considering what I read of Pynchon and others) have, for better or for worse, shown me that the left is almost equally in love with hearing it's own voices an ignoring facts, and more's the pity.
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>AsB4,
>٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>Henry Mu
>http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>
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>On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>The point is to hold all politicians accountable to defending  and enforcing  constitutional legal process, which is, after all the job description. Why don't you explain to us Henry why poor Obama can't tell the Police to use restraint and to stop  beating and pepper spraying peaceful protestors in public places?  
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>>On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Henry M wrote:
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>>Another example of OWS being nothing more than the sound and fury that they accuse all politicians of being.  If OWS wants any real cred, why isn't it gathering and distributing food in areas of people who are too poor (15% of USA is classified as in poverty) to go camp out and travel with them?  How about educating people about the history of socialism and civil disobedience in the USA?  
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>>>The crimes against occupiers (mainly in California) have become OWS's raison d'etre, and after that, self-serving student loan forgiveness that would leave future students with very little opportunity to secure loans.
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>>>Very Pynchonian, IMO.
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>>>AsB4,
>>>٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>>>Henry Mu
>>>http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>>
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>>>On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>That wonderful Occupy phenomenon, the mic check, jst happened to Pres Obama!..check it out!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.thenation.com/blog/164756/occupyusa-blog-tuesday-nov22-frequent-updates
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