AtD-related? "the abstraction of non-imperial art"

[Mark Kohut]

So, I'll double down or up, whatever...'

Yes, I think GR is one of the most savage anti-war works ever written

And, I think AtD may be satirizing Swiftianly the whole world since .................
at least the Industrial Revolution...............................

Savage? When one is not laughing but thinking.




----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
To: jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: AtD-related? "the abstraction of non-imperial art"

I think Pynchon in many places can be compared to the Swift of 
Gulliver's Travels....Not least AtD as I have suggested....
Candlebrow U and the Lilliputians....

And if P has never written something like A Modest Proposal,
I do think many scenes/sections of Gravity's Rainbow are
in the same vein....many of the subversive and savage sexual 
scenes for example, which led those morons at Candlebrow--Columbia 
University to call it obscene....---"My husband is an idiot but he is a very well-educated idiot"
says someone in Gulliver, if i remember aright and
P plays with idiot a lot in TRP---just an aside.... 

But If I overrate TRP, so be it. Haven't reread A Modest Proposal in
a long time mostly because it seems seared into my head.......
I have tried to imagine its effect on many but I have never looked
anything up about it............................ 


----- Original Message -----
From: jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: AtD-related? "the abstraction of non-imperial art"

Would you really say, Mark, that Pynchon writes "savage Swiftian
satire" like the Modest Proposal? A text that I would call subversive
and savage all right.

2012/4/19 Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>:
> "The abstraction of non-imperial art is not concerned with any particular
> public or audience."
>
> From an online tweet and NO link.....but we plisters don't need no stinkin'
> link to a real
> essay to have a good discussion, do we?
>
> I would, many of you have in various ways, see Pynchon's art as
> anti-imperialistic, yes?
>
> If his irrealness, surrealism, savage Swiftian satire, or whatever we
> want to call his style is labelled
> 'abstract' for purposes of this discussion---basically, not realistic and
> full of ideas---
>
> any thoughts on the quote?