NP - Romney/Ryan

[alice wellintown]

Americans have only one philosophy: pragmatism. A candidate for the
presidency needs to promise what he or she can never deliver or risk
not being elected. Americans know this and even the young idealists
are tempered by their unavoidable relations with the ordinay joe or
jane on the job, so promises and dreams are things americans make but
never keep because the work must get done and the work is rather
mundane, slow, arduous, and requires courage and compromise (JFK).
does that work include war? Yes. Americans accept that the dirty job
of war must get done and that presidents must be willing to spill
blood. That the wars are messy and for the most part a waste of life
and resources is a given that most americans are, pragmatically
willing to abide; that Obama promised less arrogance, more diplomacy,
a better way of killing people in Pakistan & C0., the closing of Gitmo
etc.,  was a minor part of what got him elected and few will turn away
from him on these issues alone. H Clinton would have been more
agressive as her ambitious campaign of killing has proved. the economy
will save Obama, as it is performing much better than expected and
will only improve. Obama has done well. I give him a B. Of course, I
give Ben most of the credit for saving us from a Depression so

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:40 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't mean who would I vote for as an U.S. citizen. That's no
> question for me. And yes, only fools could be disappointed by Romney.
>
> But didn't Obama promise to end the war in A.? Didn't he promise to
> put an end to G.? Or was I dreaming? And if he did why didn't he
> follow through? Only asking.
>
> 2012/8/13 Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>:
>> Um. I don't like either candidate, it's just that Romney / Ryan is just very
>> much worse than Obama / Biden. I'll vote for Obama again, and hope he does
>> better in his second term. I got the reality thing handled. Thanks for the
>> advice, Rich.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Think u have to be realistic here. Any vote against Obama now with mr Ryan
>>> on the ticket is a very dangerous game. Obama with a 2nd term will do
>>> better. I think he's slowly learning.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ... it's precisely a sea change (among other things) I'm hoping (as
>>> should the residents of, say, New Orleans, Venice, Shanghai, The
>>> Netherlands, et al.) to ward off ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Just so. And that's a part of why I don't like either  candidate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Ian Livingston
>>>> <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Sure hope so. I still don't like either candidate. It takes someone
>>>> > like
>>>> > Romney to make Obama look really good. We need a sea change, not a
>>>> > finger in
>>>> > the dike.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
>>> the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in reason
>>> is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness groping for
>>> the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest urchin in the
>>> streets." -- Will Durant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
>> the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in reason
>> is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness groping for
>> the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest urchin in the
>> streets." -- Will Durant