Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[Ian Livingston]

It seems to me that the central point of his argument is less to do with
the relative merits of the debaters, or the quality of the debate, and more
to do with the operative narrative defining the nature of the subjects
debated. Where the goppers have a strong idealistic narrative, albeit
devoid of truthful bases in reality, neutercrats, driven to distraction by
dire truths of reality, lack a vision of how things might be made truly
better. The result is that the goppers look like they intend to go
somewhere and take the country along (if we're goin' to hell, we might as
well go together), while the Dems seem a rag-tag of divertissements,
checked together only in the occasional anarchist miracle, spewing into an
obscured and chthonic future. If the neutocrats actually enunciated and
adhered to a principal of utopian desire, the force of their appeal would,
at this point, be unstoppable. The radical right is betting that won't
happen.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy
> reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
>
>   *From:* Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> *To:* P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American
> politics
>
> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but there is
> also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions in any
> discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things to be
> any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted for,
> right?
>
>
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public space
> of
> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played no
> role in his
> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited
> neurotics--
> the major other Group.
>
> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain of
> seeing History.
>
> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
>
> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
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> --
> - where the bee sucks, there suck I
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