final note from the desk of a psilo-overman

Wed Feb 22 02:18:14 CST 2012

>  Hillman is harder to read than Jung.

Not my experience.

Jung writes a little, well, unstructured. Which is OK but not easy to read.

Hillman is the better writer.
He comes - as far as possible in this area of research - straight to the point.

After he recently died, I read his last book: "A Terrible Love of War" from 2004.

Especially in context of "Gravity's Rainbow", I can recommend the book highly.

On 21.02.2012 15:02, Bekah wrote:

> Thomas Moore and James Hillman are incredible.   I think you are the only person I've ever heard mention The Care of the Soul -  very interesting book.  I read it many years ago - must be 15 years or so now.  Hillman is harder to read than Jung.  Not surprised about TRP.
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> Bek
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> On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
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>> Bled Welder writes:
>> "Yes.  I don't know anything about a soul."
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>> Neither did I so I thought I might try to learn. So I pick up this popular book from awhile back
>> Care of the Soul by one Thomas Moore, not the other dead one, mispelled, and I learn a definition and
>> something else..."
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>> The something else is that Pynchon fave psychological doc James Hillman was a mentor, then
>> colleague for the modern Moore, which mean the collective unconscious and overt teachings of Jung Carl are embedded
>>   and Moore sez, among other things, that the soul lies "midway between understanding and unconsciousness"
>> and that its instrument is neither mind nor body but imagination...........
>> Worth riffing on?.......
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>> TRP has more than a few things, like lots of good writers, fall with his characters between 'understanding and
>> unconsciousness'.      [ "to not know and know" at once, he does variations of]
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>> From: Bled Welder<bledwelder at hotmail.com>
>> To: lorentzen at hotmail.de; pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:56 AM
>> Subject: RE: final note from the desk of a psilo-overman
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>> Yes.  I don't know anything about a soul.  Oh sure, I was Hoffmann's best comrade in the 90s.  Different substance than the psilocybe.  But I was a youngster then, who knows.  Perhaps the black hole at the base of our brains is also self-evident on sufficient grammages of d s l.
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>> Being a potential psilo-0verman, or, technically speaking, a potential Conduit, have you noticed the black hole at the base of your brain, and that all the data of your timespace experience is retained on the edges of it, and may travel in a free exchange of information into other timeless dimensions?  And have you noticed that one may go into a timeless dimension, then return into this timespace, and, inevitably, because it has already happened forward and backward, recur again and again the same within this timespace?  Have any of your late 20th century comrades done so?  I'm on the lookout!  Something McKenna seems to have missed, anyway.
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>> Someone has pointed out to me that the machine technology merging with the psilocybe technology is unnecessary to human's connection with the psilocybe, and I agree; I simply noticed that the overmachine hookup appears so be coming, happening.  Where the scientists who create the machines might overlook the black hole at the base of our brains, their machines will not.  For the sake of our Conduit-identity, it may be in our interest to avoid this.  Unless we can merge our identities with the overmachines.
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>> And I do agree with the possible repetetiveness of the experience, since for now it appears that it is necessary to absorb the psilocybe to make contact, but it's not like the timeless dimensions are anymore exciting.  Until I can interpret the data, it only appears timeless.  No television that I can see.  An internet of types, maybe.  Is that fun?  Is there be fun to be had in timeless dimensions?
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>> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:12:59 +0100
>> From: lorentzen at hotmail.de
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Subject: Re: final note from the desk of a psilo-overman
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>> On 18.02.2012 09:14, Bled Welder wrote:
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>> The natural technology is the psilocybe.
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>> In the last two or three decades of the 20th century, when naturally growing Magic Mushrooms were --- in the absence of EU-law-enforcement --- completely legal over here, folks collected thousands and thousands of them --- "Spitzkegelige Kahlköpfe" (there are also other local species, growing on trees) --- on precipitous sheep-meadows in early Autumn. We dried them and filled dozens of Japanese tea boxes ...
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>> A-and yes, having been absolutely uninterested in religion during my childhood and early puberty, 'shrooms indeed showed me a way to G.O.T.T., --- making me believe into my immortal Soul!
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>> Very good thing, this. Of course there are many other ways ...
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>> By the time your number of journeys has reached three digits, however, they tend to repeat themselves and the whole thing becomes more and more like an ordinary stimulation. Same for the case of Dr. Albert H's best medicine. And this has nothing to do with the dosage or the circumstances.
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>> Either you've gone over the hill, or you have learned your precious lessons.
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>> And the doors will be open forever ...  You can throw the keys away!
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>> Btw, some German judges they don't follow the EU-laws and still think that the State has no right at all to forbid its citizens to collect and use naturally growing plants for purposes whatsoever.
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>> And yes, what Grass writes in "The Flounder" about Amanita Muscaria ("Fliegenpilz") is much better informed than what Pynchon does to it in "Gravity's Rainbow". A question of, um, experience? :-)
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwfy3r3ykpY
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