NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Bled Welder]

Who are you talking about, my dear?  My wondrous sweet Maligned?

Whoever those idiots were, are, they're fucking gone.  For now.  We're
landing now.  I am here for the crash, and then a few eons afterwards.

You know that if you don't like it, you can leave on the solstice.  I made
windows of time for a reason.  Because I care about you.  All of us.  I
will stay and fight these machine bozos.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> I have no dog in this fight, but am skeptical about how much of an impact
> OWS had on the election or on anything else.  I work on WS every day and
> have watched and wondered and never was able to reach a conclusion.  Their
> energy a year ago was impressive and moving, their message garbled and
> often incoherent.  Certainly they garnered media attention, but that is
> difficult to translate into actual achievement.
>
>  The most recent incarnation is an embarrassment -- an exhausted skid row
> of the vagrant and seemingly brain dead and hapless, camped out, filthy and
> exhausted, in front of Trinity Church to no effect other than to engender,
> alternatively, pity and loathing.  Hard to see them having any influence on
> anything in 2013.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>
> To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>; rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>;
> P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:29 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
>
>  How fucking old are you, Livingston?  Come on.  Stick out your lizard
> lips and show these stupid humans how old you are.
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think one of the greatest factors OWS contributed was its impact on the
>> youth vote. Once the movement responded to the problems of planted agents
>> provocateurs, homeless followers, and police brutality by evolving beyond a
>> protest movement into a political movement, their attractiveness to young
>> voters increased dramatically, I suspect (extrapolating from the young
>> people I know--which is a very small sample), and they put effort into
>> getting out the vote. Then, of course, the work they've done post-Sandy
>> made front pages again, again with positive associations. The message
>> remains the same: it's up to us to change things because the government has
>> become unresponsive to the wishes and needs of the people. That resonates
>> clearly in these times.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No need to prolong this.  But prior to OWS, despite polls showing the
>>> public didn't care about deficit reduction, that was the only thing the GOP
>>> harped on, and Obama wasn't disagreeing much.  OWS IMHO very effectively
>>> turned the conversation to economic just, not austerity.  Europe still
>>> doesn't get that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> most people polled said deficit reduction wasn't one of their major
>>>> concerns. Jobs and others were. I'm not saying OWS didnt raise some
>>>> sort of awareness but so much of what people were feeling they were
>>>> feeling so personally (their wages, retirement funds, etc.) that even
>>>> without OWS around their votes wouldn't be any different from the
>>>> election results.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Occupy successfully changed the predominant conversation from deficit
>>>> > reduction to income  and opportunity inequality. THAT's what Pierce is
>>>> > talking about, and Romney's 47% secret recording played into occupy
>>>> > perfectly.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think tha'ts a stretch. u didnt need a weatherman...etc etc. I
>>>> think
>>>> >> many people were plain insulted by the Romney clap trap--they didnt
>>>> >> need a movement to tell them not to vote for him. it's also a
>>>> >> statement that hardly could be proved anyway.
>>>> >> what about the african american, latino, immigrant, lgbt and women
>>>> >> vote--highly influential in this election not all of them predicated
>>>> >> on class per se, no?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> rich
>>>> >>
>>>> >> . But its effect on the election
>>>> >> > just passed could not be more profound, and it should not be
>>>> ignored —
>>>> >> > though it likely will be — by the rest of the people trying to make
>>>> >> > sense of
>>>> >> > What It All Means. Occupy changed the national dialogue. Willard
>>>> >> > Romney's
>>>> >> > surreptitiously taped comments about "the 47 percent" would not
>>>> have had
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > resonance they did had the Occupy movement not gotten the country
>>>> >> > talking
>>>> >> > about the 99 percent and the one percent. It created a new
>>>> rhetorical
>>>> >> > paradigm that simply would not have been there had it not been
>>>> >> > originally
>>>> >> > shouted at the correct buildings. And it was that new paradigm that
>>>> >> > triumphed Tuesday night.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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