GR translation: demolition man

[Bled Welder]

Of course I may, excuse you.  Get out of my way you flibberous flying
retards.  You autistic weirdos.  I built this forever palace and I intend
to take a flying fucking swim, you get me?

Get the fuck out, unless you care to welcoming me like the good angels you
are.  Let's fuck along the way.

What do I care, sounds kinky, lets fuck with your demon friends.  Who have
I spawned down there?  Beelze god who am I down there?  Lets jerf off and
fly and slither away into the deep.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com> wrote:

> You weird labrytine miracle people, who are you people?  Who am I?  May I
> swim into your divine labrynth?
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/10/2012 3:53 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>
>> I missed your points about Khabala and naming powers.  Reversals are a
>> staple of many curse/hex systems. And naming is defining, controlling,
>> usually miserably.
>>
>>  For Pynchon I think "perversion" is just "thinking.". In GR he likens
>> calculus and film as pornography, because they make a meta version of
>> reality that can be .  Perversion, right?  Fetishm is also a big Pynchon
>> theme.
>>
>>  The solutions to all of the above problems, and the multitude of others
>> he mentions was proposed in GR's lab rat Buzby Berkeley production. The
>> rats lament that Earth's and all its inhabitants would be fine if mankind
>> could forget that each will die, and instead just be.  That solution is
>> embodied by Slothrup naked at the crossroad, at the mandrake root power
>> center, when he starts his disappearance, not thinking, just being.
>>
>>  That's the unobtainable solution, like his love of anarchy.  All beyond
>> the Rainbow.
>>
>>
>> Thinking is far from an ideal way of acquiring knowledge of the world.
>> It would be better if we were omniscient.  Like God, say.  No need for
>> crude rationality.
>>
>> Seems to me having no knowledge of death would just be one more
>> pornography.  A pornography of ignorance.  It would be much like the
>> pornography of capitalist expression (as Leni's circle view things).  It
>> would promote an unwarranted contentment.  Not least of all a diminished
>> revolutionary resolve.
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>>  David Morris
>>
>> On Saturday, November 10, 2012, Paul Mackin wrote:
>>
>>>  On 11/10/2012 11:14 AM, David Morris wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think Pynchon is valuing rational over superstitious.  GR takes
>>> the question of both quite seriously. And he also implies that both spring
>>> from an internal mechanism that is basic to human thought.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, in this case the superstitious interpretation of the coffee tin
>>> correctly announces Katje.
>>>
>>> I guess I thought that, given the framework of Kabbalistic myth and the
>>> expected inversion thereof,  I saw sympathetic magic, based as it is on
>>> the assumption that a person or thing can be supernaturally affected
>>> through its name or an object representing it, as a perversion of
>>> testing Pudding's purity at the second antechamber.  Of course the thing
>>> you have to put alongside is that even the very purest in another person's
>>> religion is seen as a superstition from the outside. So maybe we have a
>>> perversion of a perversion.  Pudding correctly accessed  his fate but by
>>> impure means.
>>>
>>> Ad infinitum.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 9, 2012, Paul Mackin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/8/2012 2:02 AM, jochen stremmel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think what Pynchon refers to here is more general, not only in the
>>>>> context of WW II or the high and low contact. It's about "a repetition
>>>>> high and low", low like the malignant pun a filthy, mocking scoundrel
>>>>> might make and high like a sympathetic magic.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about playing with words and images, similes, metaphors. Like the
>>>>> demolition man and the Trembler he sees in a spoon between a glass and
>>>>> a plate, if he has to do the dishes.
>>>>>
>>>> Going beyond the specific examples, we might want also to note that
>>>> this superstitious and magical thinking is meant to exemplify impurity, the
>>>> opposite of what the second level is supposed to produce or demonstrate?
>>>>
>>>> Thinking that contact of the spoon with the cup might produce an
>>>> explosion--or that a coffee brand name by mere name association will bring
>>>> forth a cruel lady--are pollutions of thought. (of course in this case
>>>> there IS a cruel lady)
>>>>
>>>> And outside the Kabbalistic framework, the interrelatedness of all
>>>> things for the paranoiac is suggested.  To the paranoiac everything is
>>>> connected.  At least in Pynchon. Not sure how that applied to Pudding, but
>>>> still . . . .
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/11/7 Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jochen is correct about “demolition man” in  general, but in a WWII
>>>>>> context
>>>>>> I think it means Explosive Ordnance Disposal,  someone who *disarms*
>>>>>> bombs.
>>>>>> A “trembler” is a vibration-sensitive switch, its central tongue (an
>>>>>> electrical contact) closing the circuit if it touches either the
>>>>>> “high”
>>>>>> contact above or the “low” contact beneath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Mike Jing
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:22 AM
>>>>>> To: Pynchon Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: GR translation: demolition man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P234.35-235.4  In the second antechamber is an empty red tin that held
>>>>>> coffee. The brand name is Savarin. He understands that it means to say
>>>>>> “Severin.” Oh, the filthy, the mocking scoundrel. . . . But these are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> malignant puns against an intended sufferer so much as a sympathetic
>>>>>> magic,
>>>>>> a repetition high and low of some prevailing form (as, for instance,
>>>>>> no sane
>>>>>> demolition man at his evening dishwater will wash a spoon between two
>>>>>> cups,
>>>>>> or even between a glass and a plate, for fear of the Trembler it
>>>>>> implies . .
>>>>>> . because it’s a trembler-tongue he really holds, poised between its
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> fatal contacts, in fingers aching with having been so suddenly
>>>>>> reminded). .
>>>>>> . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the "demolition man" mentioned here?  Why the fear of
>>>>>> tremblers?
>>>>>> What is a trembler anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, what is the meaning of "high and low" in "a repetition high and
>>>>>> low"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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