NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Ian Livingston]

I believe the only way anything of substance is ever going to work in this
overpopulated world is by way of motley. I find all city dwellers pitiable.
I hope they all are able to find something like meaningfulness or happiness
in their dreary, enclosed lives, and that some shaggy crew of
well-intentioned youth does something that helps them in their dim,
shambling lives. I am glad to see the impact of the whole global movement
from the middle east to spain and greece to our own pathetic little tribe
of undercover workers for the greater good.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have liked reading at a distance, of course, how a lot( i guess) of the
> Occupy Movement
> turned  themselves into Occupy Sandy and instead of calling it charity,
> named their work
> Mutual Aid after anarchist Peter Kropotkin's work.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:03 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
>
> Jesus.  Calm down.  I work on Wall Street, which is, as well as a loose
> term for the financial district and investment business and world
> generally, is also a street in Manhattan, the one on which my firm has its
> address.  So I don't think I AM WS, as you exclaim in capital letters.
>
>  I was generally sympathetic to the intent of OWS, but I think the idea
> of a more or less leaderless movement failed them.  Energy and spirit
> aplenty, but it was left to its audience and enemies to decipher a coherent
> message.
>
>  And what is going on now is a shambles.  And I don't think of them now
> as on my lawn.  It's just that OWS has become a vaguely political version
> of skid row.
>
>  And "loathing" was not a description of my response, but there is plenty
> of it directed at them.  I do find them pitiable and pitiful.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: malignd <malignd at aol.com>; pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 10:45 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
>
>  Your dog is an old cur. You ARE WS by your own admission! Not very
> subtle, bub.
> Your message sounds old-mannish, like "Get off my lawn" -ish.
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:53 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>    I have no dog in this fight, but am skeptical about how much of an
>>> impact OWS had on the election or on anything else.  I work on WS every day
>>> and have watched and wondered and never was able to reach a conclusion.
>>>  Their energy a year ago was impressive and moving, their message garbled
>>> and often incoherent.  Certainly they garnered media attention, but that is
>>> difficult to translate into actual achievement.
>>>
>>>  The most recent incarnation is an embarrassment -- an exhausted skid
>>> row of the vagrant and seemingly brain dead and hapless, camped out, filthy
>>> and exhausted, in front of Trinity Church to no effect other than to
>>> engender, alternatively, pity and loathing.  Hard to see them having any
>>> influence on anything in 2013.
>>>
>>>
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