NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Ian Livingston]

Yep, that's me: at least as happy to be rural as you are to be urban.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> Yes, pitiable New Yorkers and Londoners and Parisians and Romans and San
> Franciscans.  Rube.
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> I find all city dwellers pitiable.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> To: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: malignd <malignd at aol.com>; pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:54 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
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>  I believe the only way anything of substance is ever going to work in
> this overpopulated world is by way of motley. I find all city dwellers
> pitiable. I hope they all are able to find something like meaningfulness or
> happiness in their dreary, enclosed lives, and that some shaggy crew of
> well-intentioned youth does something that helps them in their dim,
> shambling lives. I am glad to see the impact of the whole global movement
> from the middle east to spain and greece to our own pathetic little tribe
> of undercover workers for the greater good.
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> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>  I have liked reading at a distance, of course, how a lot( i guess) of
>> the Occupy Movement
>> turned  themselves into Occupy Sandy and instead of calling it charity,
>> named their work
>>  Mutual Aid after anarchist Peter Kropotkin's work.
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:03 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
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>>  Jesus.  Calm down.  I work on Wall Street, which is, as well as a loose
>> term for the financial district and investment business and world
>> generally, is also a street in Manhattan, the one on which my firm has its
>> address.  So I don't think I AM WS, as you exclaim in capital letters.
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>>  I was generally sympathetic to the intent of OWS, but I think the idea
>> of a more or less leaderless movement failed them.  Energy and spirit
>> aplenty, but it was left to its audience and enemies to decipher a coherent
>> message.
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>>  And what is going on now is a shambles.  And I don't think of them now
>> as on my lawn.  It's just that OWS has become a vaguely political version
>> of skid row.
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>>  And "loathing" was not a description of my response, but there is
>> plenty of it directed at them.  I do find them pitiable and pitiful.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> To: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: malignd <malignd at aol.com>; pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 10:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
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>>  Your dog is an old cur. You ARE WS by your own admission! Not very
>> subtle, bub.
>> Your message sounds old-mannish, like "Get off my lawn" -ish.
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>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:53 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
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>>>    I have no dog in this fight, but am skeptical about how much of an
>>>> impact OWS had on the election or on anything else.  I work on WS every day
>>>> and have watched and wondered and never was able to reach a conclusion.
>>>>  Their energy a year ago was impressive and moving, their message garbled
>>>> and often incoherent.  Certainly they garnered media attention, but that is
>>>> difficult to translate into actual achievement.
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>>>>  The most recent incarnation is an embarrassment -- an exhausted skid
>>>> row of the vagrant and seemingly brain dead and hapless, camped out, filthy
>>>> and exhausted, in front of Trinity Church to no effect other than to
>>>> engender, alternatively, pity and loathing.  Hard to see them having any
>>>> influence on anything in 2013.
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