Is Barack Obama a Tory? Or another fascist prick who murders people trying to rescue drone victims.

[rich]

I wondered about that angle that Homeland took last season. I mean its
not like that was an isolated incident, that drone strike, and there
have been dozens of civilians killed in other strikes. the fact that a
show is directly confronting the unsettling nature of the use of
drones is one reason to commend it.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
>  I
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> Homeland season 1 skillfully shows the incomputability of war. Eighty-two
> children are killed in the drone strike, but it is the loss of just a
> special one of these that turns Sgt Brody into a would-be terrorist. And it
> is, again,  the love of a single person, his 16 year old daughter, that may
> (we don't know yet) turn him back.
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> P
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:11 am
>> Subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a Tory? Or another fascist prick who murders
>> people trying to rescue drone victims.
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>> Mr. president with his kids in quaker school is quite the weasel when it
>> comes
>> to explaining his actions too. "“I want to make sure people understand
>> actually
>> drones have not caused a huge number of civilian casualties,” President
>> Obama
>> said in an hour long interview hosted by Google. “For the most part,
>> they’ve
>> been very precise, precision strikes against against al-Qaeda and their
>> affiliates.”
>>
>> This language is fully equal to anything G Bush ever used in being both
>> meaningless and deceptive. What is "a huge number"? What does" for the
>> most
>> part" mean. If 51 % of drone strikes hit the target  they are, for the
>> most
>> part, precise. What does it mean that they are "against al Qaeda"?Because
>> saying
>> a strike was against Al-Qaeda is not the same as saying those hit were
>> members
>> of Al-Qaeda. And where do these lists come from? From the same place that
>> gave
>> us the list of Guantanamo prisoners.  Does the statement that they were
>> against
>> that mean ol omnipresent Al Kida mean that they are intended to scare Al
>> Kida
>> and his nasty buddies? what is an affiliate? What the fuck  is a tight
>> leash? Do
>> we really believe that the 20 somethings sitting at their computers in
>> Colorado
>> check in with the president before they start blasting?
>> Then it was exposed that it was all complete pig shit, that anyone killed
>> was
>> automatically counted as an enemy or affiliate unless they posthumously
>> convinced the US military that they weren't.
>>
>> An independent research site Pakistan Body Count run by Dr.
>> Zeeshan-ul-hassan a
>> Fulbright scholar keeping track of all the drone attacks claims that 2179
>> civilians were among the dead, out of which 12.4% were children and women
>> .[104]
>> A report by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, released 4 February
>> 2012,
>> stated that from under the Obama administration (2008–2011) drone strikes
>> killed
>> between 282 and 535 civilians, including 60 children.[105]The New America
>> foundation estimates drone deaths at 3,177 from 2004-2012. If the Stanford
>> study
>> is right and 98 % are not known militants that seems like a pretty big
>> number of
>> unjustified killings. If only half are non-combatants that is still a huge
>> number of murders in direct violation of the Geneva accords, apparently
>> still
>> quaint under Obama. In the end it is only xenophobic prejudice and lies
>> that
>> makes any distinction between these murdered civilians and and those
>> killed in
>> the 9-11 massacre.
>>
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>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:23 AM, David Morris wrote:
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>>> Ender's Game.
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>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:13 AM,  <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
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>>>> Ah, yea, but this completely misses the convenience angle. Drones are
>>>> sooooo convenient. It's really just a matter of definition- adjusting
>>>> the "rules of war," just a bit, to allow for the advantages of this
>>
>> new
>>>>
>>>> technology. Rationalization is important. These "assaults from above"
>>>> are analogous to, if you will, certain other "lavatorial assaults,"
>>
>> but
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>>>> with the added convenience of not having to find yourself displayed
>>
>> on
>>>>
>>>> You Tube, which can be a huge inconvenience, even if it seemed like
>>
>> fun
>>>>
>>>> at the time.
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>> http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/09/24/4284593/2-marines-to-be-court-martialed.html
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>>>>
>>>> The Public Sphere- seems to be getting more Reimannian all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Not sent from my i(phone, pad, other convenient device).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:48 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a Tory? Or another fascist prick who
>>>> murders people trying to rescue drone victims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glenn Greenwald discusses a Stanford University study on drone
>>>> killings.
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>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/study-obama-drone-deaths
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