Today's discussion question

[Michael Bailey]

the atomies that once were caesar's last breath are now breathed in by
all of us "on a daily basis" (one of those bemusing phrases) --

 if you spend a lifetime accumulating or building (money, property, a
reputation, whichever...) you are turning yourself into that, and then
somebody else takes it or inherits it or is inspired by it, attaches
it to their being...

partial and conceptual reincarnation is a good metaphor.

Its objective correlative, literal reincarnation, like in the Tibetan
Book of the Dead -- so that there is
a) actually a discrete unit of consciousness,
b) a place where it exists unembodied, and
c) a physical plane where it can occupy any of a selection of possible
embodiments

 is pretty freaky and a lot of fun, I guess.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead depends on your relatives and/or slaves
putting your viscera in jars which I'd just as lief have no part in,
thanks ever so...







On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes.  And maybe some species are wormholes for new baby bugs here.
>
> But even if we account for all the other dimensional sources for new lives
> here, wouldn't that require a deficit elsewhere?  Unless duplicates and
> triplicates of souls were the norm.
>
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
>>
>> Well, the (Tibetan Mahayana) Buddhist model is not limited to this world.
>> There are myriad other worlds in Samsara. We're only passing through this
>> one, en route to eventual enlightenment.
>>
>> I've never encountered anything like persuasive evidence of reincarnation.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to see a math model of just the human accounting on how the
>>> present exploding population works with retreaded souls as a ratio of new to
>>> old.  There must be a huge source of new human souls yet to go spinning on
>>> this Merry-Go-Round.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2013, Bekah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If reincarnation is true there are a whole lot of dead people waiting
>>>> for another shot at life - either that or they've come back as cockroaches -
>>>> in which case I suspect we have extra lives coming from somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I just don't see how the accounting works out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-living-outnumber-dead
>>>>
>>>> Bek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:53 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The concept of reincarnation long predates the advent of Buddhism in
>>>> > India.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't find it useful, since access to lessons learned in a previous
>>>> > lives isn't common nor plausible when through hypnosis people recall being
>>>> > Napoleon or Cleopatra. If there is a kernel of truth in the concept of
>>>> > reincarnation it seems to me useful as a way to understand inherent
>>>> > knowledge, instincts, in every living being, passed on via eons of
>>>> > evolution. Collective Conciousness?
>>>> >
>>>> > David Morris
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thursday, August 15, 2013, wrote:
>>>> > It's not remotely plausible.  Where would you suggest this "knowledge"
>>>> > comes from?
>>>> > The idea that the Tibetans
>>>> > know something in regard to reincarnation that we don't seems
>>>> > perfectly
>>>> > plausible.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>> > To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> > Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16 am
>>>> > Subject: Re: Today's discussion question
>>>> >
>>>> > Unless it is true. This idea has been around for a long time and has
>>>> > had some
>>>> > non bubble headed proponents who may perceive things unseen by a
>>>> > certain kind of
>>>> > logic. I am agnostic on all questions that seek to definitively
>>>> > describe other
>>>> > dimensions of experience, but some of my own experiences have kept me
>>>> > from
>>>> > closing the door on this and I do not find that leaving the question
>>>> > open
>>>> > induces any more bubble headedness than watching TV. The idea that the
>>>> > Tibetans
>>>> > know something in regard to reincarnation that we don't seems
>>>> > perfectly
>>>> > plausible.
>>>> > On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:18 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > But you're right about my attitudes; the idea that the DL is a
>>>> > > reincarnated
>>>> > spirit is as bubble-headed as any other religious myth.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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