Today's discussion question

[David Morris]

Well said, Alice.  AND so succinct!  Huzzah!

On Friday, August 16, 2013, alice wellintown wrote:

> He will never encounter anything that will persuade you, MalignD, but
> he may have an experience that will, as it has others, persuade him.
> Of course, such experiences are the foundation of modern adaptatons of
> traditional religions. In other words, an immediate awareness of
> relation with a decine presense or mysticism.
>
> Because modern peoples are weary of ancient traditions, and because
> modern peoples have built and discovered modern ways, no ancient or
> childlike trust in the elders or the prophets or whatever the sages of
> old handed down, what the scibes writ will do. We want facts. We don't
> want authority. We want experience not dogmatic constructs. So the
> mystical religion, that is, religion grounded in experience. So, if
> one looks for evidence of reincarnation or resurrection or grace, one
> may find it in experience.
>
> Will it ever happen for for YOU?
>
> Not even MalignD can can say.
>
>  8/16/13, malignd at aol.com <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
> > Nor will you.
> >
> > I've never encountered anything like persuasive evidence of
> reincarnation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Bekah <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>; malignd <malignd at aol.com>;
> pynchon-l
> > <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: Today's discussion question
> >
> >
> > Well, the (Tibetan Mahayana) Buddhist model is not limited to this world.
> > There are myriad other worlds in Samsara. We're only passing through this
> > one, en route to eventual enlightenment.
> >
> >
> > I've never encountered anything like persuasive evidence of
> reincarnation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to see a math model of just the human accounting on how the
> > present exploding population works with retreaded souls as a ratio of
> new to
> > old.  There must be a huge source of new human souls yet to go spinning
> on
> > this Merry-Go-Round.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, August 15, 2013, Bekah  wrote:
> >
> > If reincarnation is true there are a whole lot of dead people waiting for
> > another shot at life - either that or they've come back as cockroaches -
>  in
> > which case I suspect we have extra lives coming from somewhere.
> >
> > I just don't see how the accounting works out.
> >
> >
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-living-outnumber-dead
> >
> > Bek
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:53 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The concept of reincarnation long predates the advent of Buddhism in
> >> India.
> >>
> >> I don't find it useful, since access to lessons learned in a previous
> >> lives isn't common nor plausible when through hypnosis people recall
> being
> >> Napoleon or Cleopatra. If there is a kernel of truth in the concept of
> >> reincarnation it seems to me useful as a way to understand inherent
> >> knowledge, instincts, in every living being, passed on via eons of
> >> evolution. Collective Conciousness?
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, August 15, 2013, wrote:
> >> It's not remotely plausible.  Where would you suggest this "knowledge"
> >> comes from?
> >> The idea that the Tibetans
> >> know something in regard to reincarnation that we don't seems perfectly
> >> plausible.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> >> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >> Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16 am
> >> Subject: Re: Today's discussion question
> >>
> >> Unless it is true. This idea has been around for a long time and has had
> >> some
> >> non bubble headed proponents who may perceive things unseen by a certain
> >> kind of
> >> logic. I am agnostic on all questions that seek to definitively describe
> >> other
> >> dimensions of experience, but some of my own experiences have kept me
> >> from
> >> closing the door on this and I do not find that leaving the question
> open
> >> induces any more bubble headedness than watching TV. The idea that the
> >> Tibetans
> >> know something in regard to reincarnation
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