war lies from the Ministry of Truth?

[Markekohut]

one perspective missing from the current " public debate" is the argument that turning chemical weapons on one's own people is, effectively, genocide, outlawed by international law since 48--51 convention and ratification..


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On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:03 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> His intentions might not be willing.  They might be obligatory.
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> There is no gain for the US in this war.  That's why Obama has been so reluctant to arm the rebels or to act in any other military way.  This is obvious.
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> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, wrote:
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>> There's nothing secret about Obama's intention to get the US involved in Syria - it's a matter of open discussion, with the situation escalating by the hour. As the Washington Post put it yesterday:
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>> "President Obama is weighing a military strike against Syria that would be of limited scope and duration, designed to serve as punishment for Syria's use of chemical weapons and as a deterrent, while keeping the United States out of deeper involvement in that country's civil war, according to senior administration officials."
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>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-obama-determined-to-hold-syria-accountable-for-using-chemical-weapons/2013/08/26/599450c2-0e70-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html
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>> What a curious explanation for bombarding a country -- one wracked by civil war, its citizens oppressed, murdered, and in flight -- with long-range missiles: "punishment." Not: "it will save lives," or "it will pave the way to negotiations (not that I personally think missiles can ever do that, but still ...)" The goal is "punishment." I agree absolutely with Joseph that Obama and Co.'s motivations have little to do with the interests of the Syrian people (who will apparently be unscathed by the "limited" rain of bombs upon their country, or if scathed, will presumably prefer being maimed and killed by US bombs over their own government's purported chemicals), and are of no use to the American populace as well. And it's become abundantly clear that the rebel forces are not, as a whole, pillars of democracy. So why send in the cruise missiles? It's great for military contractors, that's for sure. Or an extremely expensive (in terms of lives, money and political instability) to "send a message" to Iran.
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>> Laura
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
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>> If you think Obama secretly wants to get the US involved in Syria, then I suggest your logic is akin to the Egyptians who think we are secretly allied with the Muslim Brotherhod.  No matter what the US does in Syria, its interests would be better served by NOT doing.  Most everybody can see that reality, but some would like to ignore it.
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>> David Morris
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>> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, Joseph Tracy  wrote:
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>> Anyone else wondering about the convenient setting up and crossing of the chemical weapons red line in Syria. Those photos of children who look like they are holding their eyes closed make anyone else a bit nervous? Anyone else smell a little yellow cake, some WMD, Gulf of Tonkin? Why should we trust the people who start these wars, and then go to extreme lengths to prevent the truth of what they do from being known? Haven't they lied every  time?
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>> What makes it ok to kill children in a drone strike, or to endorse Saddam's use of nerve gas against Iran but wrong for the Syrian government to " defend itself" .  We sell every weapon known to man except nuclear, ok Israel's use of white phosphorus,  use cluster bombs, depleted uranium. Isn't Killing civilians just wrong? Shouldn't we start by cleaning our own house?  Is the US government the one in a position to scold and set things right after the debacle in Iraq?
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>> Why is it that we are only deeply concerned about the human rights of a people when we want to go to war with them or starve them?
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>> Is there really some massive groundswell of US citizens desperate to intervene in a civil war in Syria?
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>> Is Obama really  the superman of truth, justice and the American way whose only problem is the nefarious use of kryptonite by evil republicans?  Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of American militarism on the go! We spy on you because we love you. It's for your own good.
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